What is classic's take on this Pacquiao-Mayweather steroid controversy?

Is it really that hard to take a blood sample?

 

I think it's just gamesmanship and each side doesn't want to back down. Eventually it should be cleared up and they'll fight.

Let's look at the two scenarios, either Pacquiao is or isn't on something. If he is, Team Pacquiao obviously doesn't want these random blood tests as he might be on something more detectable by blood tests. If he's clean, then it's insulting to be accused by them of being on something, and Pacquiao doesn't want to back down. It's like, who is Mayweather to make me do all this extra stuff and bully me in negotiations?

But ultimately, Pacquiao is not going to give up a payday of 40 or so million because he doesn't want a tablespoon of blood taken (unless he really is dirty). Plus, it just looks shady. While some will defend him, many fans will just see it as him having something to hide.

Random testing would be better for all fights in order to catch more PED users. I would prefer it. It's not as if the current system is especially reliable, hell, even members of the NSAC have publicly talked about the ways to get around it. Flip Homansky said the only fighters who get caught are the ones who make mistakes. But do we REALLY want to know how many guys out there use? The number might be high and bother fans. Personally I think that any fan who is really surprised when an athlete gets caught using PEDs is just naive.

What I don't really understand is why they would want to do a blood test so close to the fight anyway. Why would they want to do it a day or two before the fight? They'd want to do it during camp and when training camp ends.

 

As much as I'm rooting for Pac in this match, I'd say it is extremely likely Pac uses banned substances while training. The excuses offered by Roach and Arum are feeble and transparant to such a degree that I've all but sentenced him.

Then again, I believe eighty percent of fights someone is on on dope. How could they not be? Doping is widespread in any sport in which a lot of money is involved, and boxing is run by promoters, for cryin' out loud. They've bribed refs and judges, it's not like the doping commission is untouchable.

What I find most interesting is that Mayweather makes it an issue, which he probably wouldn't if he was using himself. It would be a testament to skill involved in the sport of boxing if the very best was one of the few that did not use them.

 

I think that there is some high stakes gamesmanship going on, neither side wanting to back down,but recently"good guy" athletes & stars in every sport have proven to be cheating *******s....

Thomas Hearns Roberto Duran Ray Leonard Camocho Arguello all these guys lost KO power as they moved up .None of them gained KO power.

Maybe it`s Roach & new improved Manny ,training etc.

For the good of the sport ,to remove any doubt, allow responsible, reasonable, Random,blood, urine,:tiredhair samples,tests by olympic quality labs.
In other sports records may be jeopordised by blood doping steroids hgh
etc, in boxing cheating could be fatal

 

In a cracking old Curmudgeonly voice....

"back in my day..the only way you could get extra testorine was to inject bull seamen into your body....with a needle i mean..not a turkey baster...."

in truth though, back in the day they did get testorine out of bull seamen and take out the testorine...hitlers doctor gave him massive doeses of that...they say it might have made him a even more angry then he normally was.

 

Here's an article from ESPN a couple years back about PED use in boxing.

Funny how some people here insist that the commission's testing is good enough but high profile people in the commissions will even admit that it's not especially hard to get around the tests.


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2782402

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2782402

 

Hearns arguably gained power when he went to 154.

Pacquiao might not have gained that much power as he's moved up. He could have been at his max at 135, which isn't that big a leap from his original weight iff you discount the "18-year-old-skinny-kid" weights.

 

Schoolgirl bull****, petty, childish, selfish & disrespectful to the fans & indeed the world that want to see this fight bad.... they wouldnt be millionaires if it wasnt for us paying to see them fight.

Im done with both of them if this fight doesnt get made... I will regard both men as non-existant in future discussions, ATG lists etc.

The way farmboxer constantly refers to Floyd as `void` without fail on every post, I will refer to both Pac & FMJ as `****` til the end of time.

It wont affect them either way but my respect for both will be -0 so neither will recieve an ounce of my time.

THATS my view on this utter ****.

 

urine test really arent conclusive enough for any fight..they should do olympic style testing for every fight..though for local small time fights it might be too expensive..but at least for these kinds of major fights...definitly.

 

Has Pac expressed any fear/phobia of needless before, or is it a new thing?

For one who really has such fear/phobia, I can see how regular blood tests would be a large burden.

 

I don't think it's a big deal, although i haven't quite made my mind up yet.

On one hand, just because he doesn't want to be tested doesn't make him guilty. I really don't want a police officer to search my car or house, but that doesn't mean i'm hiding a corpse in my trunk. On the other hand, there is much more relevance in testing Pac because he could be at an unfair advantage.

 

I won't comment on the Pac-PBF issue because I doubt we know even half of the facts and a discussion will end like the discussion of Lewis-Vitali.

But I want a clean sport, so yeah, I would want to know he cheats and I want them to be punished. Hard.

That's it :good

 

In any case; I think boxing should adopt the same routines for testing as Olympic sports. It's really a joke that no unannounced tests are made.