I wasn't putting them in the same level I was just saying that both of them had a loss later in their career that many people look at instead of their earlier career.
No. Wilder lost to three championship-level fighters who outweighed him by 30, 40 and 70 pounds. Put the taller Sebastian Fundora, fighting at his normal weight, in the ring with a 6'2' cruiserweight champ ... or a 6'2 224-pound heavyweight top contender that punches like Zhang ... and let me know how Fundora does. I bring up weight because you can scour heavyweight history and be very hard pressed to find any heavyweight champ or a heavyweight challenger who was the lighter man in EVERY ONE of his fights going on 13 straight years now. Yet Wilder knocked out nearly all of them. Boxers fight in weight classes. Not height classes. Height certainly has helped a lot of guys, like Wlad and Vitali, for example. Yet they were the heavier fighters most of the time, too. Sometimes much heavier. Stronger, too. And Wlad would often hold, grab, clinch, push down on shorter fighters and generally wear them out with his physical strength, heavier weight and size. Wilder doesn't clinch. Wilder keeps his distance. Sometimes too much distance, particularly as he's gotten older. He's never been a grab and clinch guy, because he's lighter and not as physically strong as most heavyweights. He's just got freakish punching power in his right. Guys like the Klitschkos certainly weren't giving up 10, 20, 30, 40, 70+ pounds for every fight more than a decade. That takes a toll, as well. Usyk's had six fights at the weight, and he's talking about moving back down. Wilder's the same weight or lighter than him. He fought in the same division as Usyk and Beterbiev in the amateurs.
No it doesn’t. Not at all. Otherwise reach would dominate every division. weight is what we measure size by in boxing. Nothing else.
We have weight over reach or any other physical aspect because of time. Reach is an advantage and disadvantage depending on positioning and both you good posters know that. So who wins comes down to how they use reach; styles, conditioning etc. Bring in time and now you see the unfair advantages of size. Large people produce power but have bad stamina, small people have stamina but bad power. It is 100% tied to metabolic rate and oxygen exchange. 3 minute rounds, 1 minute breaks, total of 36 mins, negates a small man's ability to overcome power with stamina. The only thing that favors a small size there is the 1 min breaks. That's enough time for a very small man to nearly recover where as it's only enough time for a very large man to start to feel some level of recovery. Everything else just makes the power advantage of the large man more applicable while negating the longevity of the small man. Check with history and see if weight divisions and time limits go hand-in-hand Check with history and see if big guys were not often killed due to exhaustion. Check with history to see if small guys were not often killed due to bludgeoning. That's why there was never any focus on anything but weight despite there being other logical categories. Let me throw another one out that's an even bigger facet to prime skills; age. Is it super dangerous for Jake Paul to fight Mike Tyson? what was it 28 vs 58? Okay, take Jake out and put in a real boxer. Is it not super dangerous for Mike Tyson to fight Anthony Joshua? Exactly bros, these rules are just to adjust for time, nothing to do with safety. Time came into play to make boxing more schedulable. Once we started determining ends we promptly made weight divisions. While I am here. No, gloves were not made to protect your hands. That is a happy accident. They were made so you could punch a noble without splitting them open. Check Broughton, Mendoza, and Bill Fuller - the man who invented sparring. Champions used to train nobles and well to dos but could not leave them marked up. That's 100% the point of the mufflers. To help killers hold back against pansies. **** I ain't had no point bro, just rambling some history I guess You are both good posters though I'll stand by that **** all day.
Oh I should also say, for anyone wondering where the sweet spot is, the average size of men is average for a reason. They are who survives. You are likely already in the sweet spot for power/stamina balancing. You never noticed the p4p kings all kinda range in average sizes? That's why homie.
No legacy whatsoever, dude tried to hoodwink the boxing fandom and got exposed, badly at that. Pure hypejob. Not to mention dude had no class whatsoever outside the ring, one of the least likeable boxers ever.
You are a fanatical cheerleader if you think Wilder's power was EVER serious. That "power" only ever mattered against fringe contenders and 40 year olds. He KD Fury 20 times but Fury always gets KD and little Usyk hurt Fury more than Wilder could in 3 fights. Wilder was a HW champion and a complete afterthought in this era. He was basically a meme. Memorable for funny stuff but not to be taken seriously.
a lucky guy. enough power to ktfo cans. in the right place at the right time to translate that into a championship and ride it. didn't want to learn boxing...had too much faith in the right hand. Breland tried to teach him...couldn't.