What is difference between Hopkins and Wladimir when it comes to resume?

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  1. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Why is Hopkins so great for dominating a weak division, (that division was nothing special during his reign). But Wladimir is not even close to his greatness for doing the same at heavy. What if a few elite light heavies or cruisers went to HW and Wladimir ****ed them up, would he be able to live off of those victories like B-Hop does with his victories over DLH and Tito?

    Is the difference not getting KO'd by 3 fighters that he shouldn't have lost to and only that? (Though Wlad improved since then) It's a legitimate question, I'm not making a statement.

    Ok so lets say Vitali had Wlad's resume, with his only blemish being Lewis and he has never been KO'd by anyone like he's now. I still don't see him getting the respect that B-Hop gets. What is so special about B-Hops middle weight reign?

    I'm not really a Klitschko fan, but I've never been a big fan of Hops either (too dirty and don't think too highly of his middleweight reign).
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hopkins beat better fighters.
     
  3. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins is black and American.
    Nah for real, his victory over tito was bigger than anything Wlad has had at the moment. Nard was the underdog going into that fight. Then there are guys like echols, joppy,eastman etc... who are half decent but Hopkins easily controlled showing superior boxing skills in every department. The common complaint about Wlad is his boring style, i think thats another reason why Hopkins gets more respect
     
  4. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    I had planned on making a fairly long-winded argument but this sums it up quite nicely.
     
  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are more similarities than you might think, Hopkins actually had to dominate for years (Wlad: check), unify (check) and beat a very good guy (Haye in the future) to finally get the recognition he deserves but never got.

    Wlad beat shitloads of former champs and 4 reiging titleholders (Byrd*2, Ibragimov, Chagaev), all of them ranked in The Ring top3 (Byrd: #1 HW in the 2nd fight). Wlad is also a Olympic Gold Medallist and has quite a few years left in him at the pros, and if he won't get the Hopkinsesque late-career recognition, he'll get the Holmesesque post-career credit. Looking at his resume of the past few years, it's almost criminal he's not on the P4P lists and someone like... well, guys of recent losses are, but that's politics.
     
  6. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Hate to say, but this post is really pointless unless you discuss the fighters each fought. I mean, it IS about their resume.
     
  7. Manos de Piedra

    Manos de Piedra Active Member Full Member

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    Cause Vladimir got knocked out a bunch of times.
     
  8. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    I think Hopkin's win over Tito is overrated, Trinidada was a blown up welterweight who was only in contention because of his power. I never had him down as the favourite to be honest. Hopkin's best win IMO is Tarver, moving uo nearly 2 weight divisions to beat the best fighter in that division with such ease. It is often overlooked
     
  9. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thats true but i was only mentioning his middlewight reign. Not his post Taylor defeats.
    Either way his victory over Tito shouldnt be overlooked like that. Hopkins beat him technically. And tito post welterweight days were also solid, he knocked out vargas at 154 and then beat Joppy more convingly then Hopkins did at 160 to win the WBA belt. Doesnt sound too "blown up" too me
     
  10. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    People exaggerate this whole "blown-up welterweight" thing with Trinidad. For one, he was a huge welterweight who went up to 154 back in 1997. He went back down to 147 to get the bigger fights, namely, Oscar (a unification bout with Quartey fell through a year before that).

    He had a terrific stretch at 154 in 2000 in which he won Fighter of the Year, and destroyed a top 2/3 middleweight in William Joppy.

    Hopkins did have a size advantage, but it wasn't a huge one nor did Hopkins really impose his size that much on Trinidad anyway. It was more of a technical boxing clinic.
     
  11. The_President

    The_President Boxing Addict banned

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    If BHOP was at least 6'10" he'd pulverize either Klit girl.
     
  12. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad hasn't dominated. Remember there's Vitali out there who he won't fight. Also Hopkins unified all three belts which Wlad hasn't done.
     
  13. Larryboys

    Larryboys Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Klitschko lacks the handful of wins over legendary fighters that Hopkins does. He's got the same cake but not the icing.