What is Joshua's best win since he quit against Ruiz?

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  1. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Avenging Ruiz 12-0/11-1 in the rematch. Wallin and Pulev were also decent wins
     
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  2. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was past his best no doubt but he wasn't shot.
     
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  3. velagod

    velagod Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’d still say Ruiz even at such a far state was a more impressive win than wallin.
     
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  4. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Ruiz had not blown up in weight like he did and looked like he took the fight seriously I would have said Ruiz

    Wallin seems like the easy answer though he's never been champ

    I honestly think his best performance might be Usyk II where he still lost a clear decision but improved upon the first fight. In all fairness he did pretty good in the first 6 rounds of the first Usyk fight but then could not keep pace

    Joshua seems rejuvenated, yes his opposition has played a part but confidence has always seemed to be his main problem and he seems to be confident.

    Does that confidence wither away in the face of a real world class fighter? Time will tell

    If Fury were to defeat Usyk I would be interested in Fury vs Joshua. If Usyk wins I have no interest in a rematch unless he were to beat Hrgovic or Parker in a rematch

    In fact, Joshua vs Parker II is a great fight to make and probably lucrative in SA after Parker's two big wins back to back
     
  5. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yup, past his best but still formidable and Top 15 guy in the division.
     
  6. Jacdaniel

    Jacdaniel New Member Full Member

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    It’s funny how people laugh at Fury for very comfortably beating Chisora yet talk AJ up for beating Wallin/Pulev.

    Chisora has a recent win over Pulev and is tougher than Wallin.
     
  7. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True although I don’t consider beating Chisora an impressive feat especially when you have done it twice before and when he was shot to pieces. The only issue for Fury is the Ngannou fight where he looked terrible, which dampens his other performances. Still a win over Wilder is far greater than anything AJ has done since the Ruiz loss.
     
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  8. BCS8

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    Some people argue that he knocked out the lineal champion of the world
     
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  9. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How come Joshua gets a pass for quitting( and he did quit spat out the gum shield and refused the referee instruction) from some people but fighters like saunders and dubious get absolutely vilified when they had serious injuries.

    Best win Ruiz 2 not his fault Ruiz turned up looking like a human blancmange
     
  10. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was clear headed enough to tactically spit his mouth piece out, up and walking fine at the count of 7. He walks into the corner and leans against the ropes. The ref waves him forward, he comes forward. The ref clearly says "do you want to box?", he says "yes" then goes BACKWARD to lean against the ropes again. Pro boxers know that if they do not explicitly follow instructions (the ref tells him to get off the ropes), it's over. The act of moving backward, not putting his hands up, tactical mouth piece spit, being disengaged, while STILL COHERENT, is the act of quitting. The vast majority of viewers saw it the same.

    Why is it that Victor Ortiz is forever disdained for quitting while being bombed by Maidana, but Joshua is not for the same?
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not a word of that has changed my mind.
     
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  12. PorcelainCrypt

    PorcelainCrypt New Member Full Member

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    Concussed boxer not acting rationally? Shocking. If he wanted to quit, he wouldn't have kept getting up.
     
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    ikrasevic Where there is no kindness; no courage either Full Member

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  14. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He got up 4 times and people accuse him of quitting. I'm in the he didn't quit camp. But to be honest even if he did it would be a sensible move at that point. If anything the towel should have come in to save the fighter from that situation, but his team were probably reticent due to the magnitude of the fight.

    But to the question.

    Ruiz was considered top 3 at the time, and is undefeated since.

    Pulev who was top 10 at the time, and avoided by many. But he then went off to do other things for a few years before a stitch up job against Chisora (btw, how many testimonial fights is Chisora going to get, put him out to pasture already). No one else thinks it a little odd, that at age 41, Pulev fought Chisora less than two months after Jerry Forrest?

    Wallin was also top 10 at the time and coming off making Gassiev look like light work. Need to see what he does next though.

    So, it would have to be Ruiz. Joshua boxed the fight he should have the first time, and made an easy night of it. But sure Ruiz was out of shape.

    Heck if it is good enough for Fury...because it's funny really, Fury gets credit when he makes hard work of an opponent he should beat (Deontay 'excuses' Wilder 3). But he also gets credit for making easy work of an out of form opponent (ring rusty, post-Povetkin Whyte). He even seems to be getting credit for guys who shouldn't be sharing a ring with him (the ghost of Chisora 3).
     
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  15. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Beating Ruiz in the rematch
    2. Pulev
    3 Wallin
    4. Franklin

    That's still better than Wilders career best 4 wins.
     
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