What is most important for a fighter who's primary style is a forward mover / swarmin

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    For me this is the most important things

    Cutting off the ring / Ring Generalship
    Absoloutly essential, this is the 'pressure' in which we talk about. By controlling the ring the pressure fighter can exert the pressure he wants, and close down the space in which his opponent is optimal. One thing I like is the early rounds of Robinson vs Lamotta VI, Lamotta is cutting of the ring well and looking to be the ring general:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUYhjX64pDo[/ame]

    This actually keeps him level with Robinson.

    Defense / and footwork that helps the fighter get on the inside
    This is similar to the first point. In the terms of the footwork. By getting the right footwork the pressure fighter can maximise his advantages and take away his opponents advantages by being inside. The defence part of this is equally important as you do not want to pay too heavy a price getting inside. Again I will use the Lamotta vs Robinson VI, example again. As the fight wears on Lamotta is paying too much of a price to get inside and as you all know gets TKO'd. Observe the differences between the first videos in terms of his jab, cutting of the ring and head movement

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e991-NLbUsA[/ame]


    After these attributes there are several things that are important. These are about equally important.

    Speed of hand and foot
    This really just is a bonus for cutting of the ring for the pressure fighter, in terms of footspeed. The pressure fighter is able to close down his opponent quicker and therefore apply more pressure.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKdaiTSvzVU[/ame]

    Look at the speed in which Frazier is able to close down Foster, but it dosent add too much to his game IMO, as it is mostly his effective footwork, and use of energy, that is doing it rather than his raw speed.


    Power
    Probbaly the least important on the list, as power, abit like speed, just makes the job easier but it can be done as well without it. Also power tends to turn fighters away from being pressure fighters into more of a puncher. I am thinking along the lines of Rosario but he was more of a boxer-puncher who turned pure puncher. One fighter who used the use of power to his advantage perfectly when applying pressure is Alexis Arguello. I cannot find a video but in the rounds following the knockdown in round 2, Arguello is able to keep the pressure one with more hurtful punches. Escalara is moving backwards with angles makign it tricky for Arguello but Arguello is stalking him and taking accurate shots looking to make him slow down, and getting the better of the round sbecause of it IMO.

    Heart Chin
    I think these two are related here, being a pressure fighter, the pressure fighter will be hit and be hit hard as he will, in all probability, walk into a hard punch now and again. A good chin is good to have as they can take the punch and not get hurt. The heart is good as they need to apply a long term strategy in some fights to be sucessful, a pressure fighter might have to concede the first few rounds to force a higher pace and slowly break down an opponent, so a good heart stops the fighter getting discouraged and keeps them on task.
    If you watch here how Margarito gives away the early rounds but is applying pressure, he is just not sucessful yet
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1njJJdmoJlo[/ame]
    but, he sticks with it
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyjM1nPQgxE[/ame]


    And finally the most important bar none.

    Stamina / Workrate
    Obviously an important attribute, as pressure is a pressure fighters game, and pressure needs a workrate behind it.The stamina and workrate more just is the driving force behind everything! It keeps the fighter closing down the ring for the whole fight, it keeps the pressure applied to its maximum levels, aswell it is a good foil for beating a 'better boxer', by allowing the pressure fighter to force themselves upon, or overwhelm, an opponent.

    The importance of a high workrate is shown here.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAP6CEtxMAY[/ame]

    Armstrong's workrate allows him to impose himself on Ross, and makes Armstrong the ring general as Ross is overwhelmed, it also tires Ross out late, allowing Armstrong to cut the down easier. You will see every factor discussed previously by me is enhanced by the amazing workrate Armstrong produces.
     
  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure about that speed thing?? Marciano was not fast, but he was sure able to track down speeders like Walcott or Charles.
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    walcott wasn't particularly fast either when he fought the rock.In fact compared to how he looked against Louis i thought he had lost his legs by the Marciano fight, though he adapted well with slow backfoot fighting.