What is sweet science? Alexander's ineffective volume or Kotelnik's clean punching?

Well as they say in the casinos THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS!

 

Good to know that decides fights.

 

Yep so put your house on the house! that's a certain win!

 

its all about clean punching ala mayweather style. kotelnik was robbed!

 

Anyone think that if it had been Mayweather instead of Kotelnik putting on that kinda performance, would he have got the decision?

 

YeS!

 

Hey, guys. It's not effective punching if you're not stopping the other guy from throwing his punches in terms of numbers.

So I can see where the Alexander win can come from.

The bad thing about their decision is that it's too lopsided. That's about it.

 

Why would you be bothered about 'stopping the other guy from throwing his punches' if he keeps missing you?

 

He didn't miss Kotelnik though. He forced him to shell up a lot. Blocking punches is not the same as dodging punches. There's a reason why you don't give points to someone with a good defense like with Clottey if the other guy just keeps forcing you to block. Otherwise, people can just win matches by shelling up all the time.

Punches only truly become "effective" if you can force your opponent to stop punching at you.

If you punch at him once clean and he still throws ten at your guard, he is basically controlling the match at that point because he's stopping you from throwing more punches back at him.

And by the way, you should be bothered, because the other guy that's making the other guy "miss" is still not throwing as much punches as he should to score.

 

Truly bizzare.

So you're saying jabbing someone's guard = effective aggression?

 

He's stopping the other guy from throwing back. It's pretty effective. Clean? LOLNO

Effective? He's not getting that much leather back at him, so yeah, pretty much.

 

So you wouldn't need to even land any of these punches at all for it to be 'effecctive aggression' in your book, if one fighter is whaling his arms around but only hitting air and the other only throws and lands one clean punch, you would still consider that to be effective aggression for the same reason?

 

I get what you're saying. However, volume has a quality of its own. Even if you miss a lot of punches, that's a pretty effective way of controlling a match as you put the other guy on the defensive. Body movement is also much more energy expending than just moving your arms and legs. So in an indirect way, you're also fighting a battle of attrition with the other guy conditioning-wise. And most of the time, you will hit your turtled opponent's guard a lot as a result.

It's not good-looking, it makes you look like an amateur, but it sure stops the other guy from beating your face in at will.

Again, it's effective. Clean, no. Effective, yes.


EDIT: You can also show effective aggression sometimes without punching at all, but this is rare and most of the times can't score points. Case in point, Pirog's KO of Danny Jacobs. Look at his feet before that final right hand. That's effective aggression without throwing any punch. He kept Jacobs thinking from throwing a lot before throwing the final shot.

 

SO what you are actually saying is that shadow boxing in the ring with an opponant in front of you is ok? I may be missing something but surely you need to be HITTING the guy infront of you in the target areas that have been since long established in boxing in order to score points and win rounds??

What the hell is happening to our sport???? Let the MMA community now come laugh at us! atsch

 

But he didn't stop anything (which was clear to see). I think I read that Kotelnik threw more than 700 punches (around 60 per round) which is not little at all. And he landed 220-something punches which is one hit every 10 seconds on average. Your argument is theory only.
In reality Alexander was very ineffective and not much else. Kotelnik controled the distance and the ring and was never bothered by Alexander even when he got touched. Alexander was backing the whole fight but wasn't fightin on his backfoot. He'd stop and punch a bunch and then continue to back. Kotelnik got both the effective agression and the ring generalship in this fight. And defence. And clean effective punching.

Bah.