What is the difference between a close fight and a robbery?

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  1. monaim

    monaim Member Full Member

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    How do we distinguish between them?
     
  2. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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  3. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If the person you wanted to win didn't get the decision.................
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    If there's no feasible pathway to victory for the guy that won, regardless of how close it is, even in a 115-113 or 114-114 fight, if finding that one extra round is an impossibility, it's a robbery.
     
  5. Guerra

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    A close fight is where you can argue either guy won a close point decision.
    E.g. pac vs jmm 1/2, barrera vs morales, floyd vs castillo 1.

    Then you got close fights that could go either way with bull**** scorecards from the judges that make people scream robbery.
    E.g. hagler vs leonard and the 118-110 scorecard, fury vs mcdermott 98-92 or several canelo scorecards of course 118-110 adalaide byrd over ggg...

    Then you have the clear robberies where some guy obviously won but gets f'd over by the judges.
    Like holyfield vs lewis, dlh vs sturm, foreman vs schultz, whitaker vs chavez, rjj at the olympics etc.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    If the fights close it's not a robbery as the subjective nature of scoring can see some variation in score cards depending on a persons criteria on scoring.

    Yes you have fanboys who scream robbery whenever a fights even remotely close, but you can't take them seriously as their scoring will be biased. I remember after Lewis/Holyfield 1 that you had people on here seriously argue that Holyfield did enough for a draw.

    With genuine robberies it's not even up for debate, one fighter dominates the other winning 8 or even 9 rounds or more but not getting the decision.
     
  7. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    GGG vs Canelo II, Castillo vs Mayweather I, Haney vs Loma and Hagler vs Leonard are close fights. I think a draw or a victory for the official loser would have been a better choice but it's not robbery. We are on a 114-114 or 115-113 for one or the other.

    Pacquiao vs Bradley I/Horn, Chavez vs Whitaker or Ali vs Norton III are robbery because it wasn't close.
     
  8. Camps

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    I think Leonard-Hagler and both Holmes-Spinks fights raised questions of whether Vegas judges (as they do) went out of their way to reward the underdog for surviving.

    According to HBO punch stats (as cited by BoxRec), in their first meeting Spinks landed 318 of 697 punches (46%) and Holmes connected on 248 of 567 (44%). Leonard reportedly landed 306 of his 629 thrown punches (49%) compared to Hagler's 291 out of 792 (37%), so, a bigger disparity there -- but that's because Leonard (to his credit) was backpedaling on his bicycle the whole fight.

    So, yes, both underdogs landed more punches, and earned major kudos for crafty fighting. But if those punches merely landed -- or even simply touched -- the champ, yet had no more impact than to slow the bigger guy's attack, is that sufficient to dethrone the title holder?
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    If you steal money from a bank it's a robbery regardless if it's hundreds or millions of pounds
     
  10. kevin-novice

    kevin-novice Active Member banned Full Member

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    Like Fury's last fight.. robbery
     
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  11. Guerra

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  12. DoubleG95Fanatic

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    Hahaha
     
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  13. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What if say I stole money from a homeless person, is that still a robbery? Technically he's been given money that's not his....
     
  14. DoubleG95Fanatic

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    By watching the fight specifically 71 times over with your eyes wide open every midday on a Tuesday as science tells us this is the peak time when our retina is fully in operation and catches every action pixel for pixel.

    Then you take the average scoring per round over the 71 times. You should then have you answer, if not start again.
     
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  15. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No I'm joking, the difference between a close right and a robbery is Ian John Lewis. He's also the difference between a one sided fight and a robbery.