What is the difference between a close fight and a robbery?

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  1. kevin-novice

    kevin-novice Active Member banned Full Member

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    Sounds fair. The judges get 71 views as well right enough
     
  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's like pornography, you know it when you see it..
     
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  3. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Exactly right also if the scorecards are those of the Vegas judges They scored Bivol's total domination of Canelo a close contest when Canelo barely won a round. Even then hey were afraid to give Canelo a bogus draw &win like they have before against GGG
     
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  4. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Plausibility.

    If it looks questionable, but you can find a way to justify it, it's probably not a robbery.

    If it's close, it's probably not a robbery.

    If at least one card is clearly being cooked it might well be a robbery (take the ridiculous card in Fury-Wilder 1 - one of the judges clearly intended to score a close points win for Wilder, regardless of what was happening, then 2 KD rounds meant he scored wide for Wilder... That card was intended to participate in a robbery).

    If more than one card is clearly so far wrong you can't figure out how to score it that way, it's probably a robbery.
     
  5. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Outright robbery = Lara vs Williams, Martinez vs Cintron

    Williams damn near lost every round and was given a win.
     
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  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    It's all about close rounds. If a fight is 7-5 and in the person's mind the rounds are clear, if the fight is given to the other fighter the person will claim robbery. The fight was close, but clearly they thought the other fighter won and they don't see any possibility for a round to be scored differently.

    However if the person feels like the rounds were iffy and debatable, then they will say close fight, could go either way. The problem is people are blinded by favoritism and they will claim some debatable rounds actually aren't and that's how you can get wildly differing opinions.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It is theirs once they've been given it

    But even I wouldn't steal from a homeless person
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Whatever that is it sounds saucy
     
  9. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Fair point. But judging is too subjective. For example, fighter (A) lands 10 punches in a round, 8 which are jabs and 2 power shots. Fighter (B) lands 8 punches, 6 are power shots and 2 are jabs. (A) was on his bicycle and (B) was pressing the action and caused redding on fighter (A's) face. You know that round is going to be split, whether it's the official judges or every ESB member in existence. So, who do you give that round to?
     
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  10. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    One or more brown envelopes...
     
  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Agree with this. I hate when people say "close fights are not a robbery"
    It's like they are saying if you win 5 rounds of a 12 round fight that's good enough. In no other sport could you score less points than the opposition and still get the win.
     
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  12. MetalLicker

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    GGG/Canelo 1 & 2 are robberies.

    GGG/Derevyanchenko is a close fight.

    The way I see it, a robbery is when one fighter win 8 rounds or more rounds and the other fighters wins 4 rounds or less (assuming there are no KDs), but got the decision.

    In some instances, one fighter wins 7 or more clear rounds, but loses the decision can also be consider a robbery.
     
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Same, I get assholes pushing that narrative on almost every RBR. No matter how many times you violently beat them over the head with that reality, it never registers. They can always scrounge up that illusory one more round to give them.
     
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  14. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    It is the worst when you have the obvious ones in big fights where 95% of people including experts have it for one guy like Kovalev in the Ward fight, GGG in Canelo fight and Loma in the Haney fight but you will still have 5% of morons online saying "nah it was close not a robbery"
     
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  15. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where you can see your favorite fighter win or lose and not get mad because of how close it was.

    Robbery? Ridiculous scorecards and no matter how you twist it, there’s no feasible way to see that fighter win.