What is the difference between a manager and a promoter?

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  1. eross2114

    eross2114 New Member Full Member

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    somebody can explain this to me?
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A manager is supposed to guide a fighter's career. Negotiate purses. Choose opponents. Hire trainers.

    A promoter is supposed to sell an event that includes a number of fights and fighters.

    In the U.S., years ago, the promoter couldn't also serve as a manager. The promoter was supposed to be objective and not care who won a fight on a card. He was just supposed to sell the event to fans and drum up interest in the show.

    Today, the lines are all blurred.

    It sort of got out of whack when Oscar De La Hoya started Golden Boy Promotions. When he did that, Oscar became the promoter of the event and also fought on the cards he was promoting. Then Hopkins became a partner in Golden Boy. Then Mosley became a partner in Golden Boy. And then Oscar would fight Mosley and Hopkins, and the two fighters competing in the main events were also promoting the shows. And Hopkins managed himself at that time. So he was his own promoter and manager and he was fighting on the cards where he served as promoter, too. So I don't know how anyone ever got a decision over him at one point. (Only slightly kidding.) And then Golden Boy bought Ring Magazine, so they owned their own ratings body, too.

    And then the Klitschkos started their own promotional company and did that, too.

    In England, I believe, it was always legal to serve as both manager and promoter. I think Mickey Duff promoted events featuring guys he managed his whole career. That practice may have changed. I don't know.

    In the U.S., Don King wasn't legally allowed to do that. So he had to put his son Carl in as manager in name only, and it bothered him he had to do that while his counterpart Duff in England didn't have to.

    Today, I don't know if it's really enforced at all. If they do, they really pick and choose who they go after.
     
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  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    In boxing a manager manages your career. Its his job more or less to guide your career and let you know of your options as to what fighters are available for you to fight
    The promoter usually works with several fighters and has several fighters under contract to fight in his events.Its the promoters job to hype his fighter and the events she puts up.
    Its the managers job to negotiate with the promoter the fighters financial stake in his fights.

    I'd say that without a manager the chances are that the promoter would screw the fighter and underpay him.
    Its the fighters managers job to make certain his fighter is getting paid what he's worth by the promoter.

    The promoter guides a fighters career and a promoter promotes the fighters fights.
     
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  4. eross2114

    eross2114 New Member Full Member

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    Thank you
     
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  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    In Delahoya's case he was managing and promoting himself, there was nothing against the rules with that scenario.

    What Delahoya or any promoter cant do is manage and promote the fighter because that more often than not goes against the fighters best interest.
    Although I'm certain there are many instances where the promoter and fighters manager get in cahoots to screw fighters out of what they're actually worth and pocket the money amongst themselves.

    Its a slimey corrupt business this boxing!
     
  6. eross2114

    eross2114 New Member Full Member

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    after leaved arum ,floyd was his own promoter too, right?
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mayweather would promote himself but usually fight on the card of his opponents promoter as Mayweather didn't have a stable of fighters to build a fight card around.
     
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  8. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    TV companies could quite easily step in and serve the role of promoter and manager at the same time. They can pay fighters higher revenue (alot of this can be generated through advertising) and own the marketing side too.

    I believe we will see similar models to DAZN coming in over the next few years and the old business model will be made redundant.
     
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  9. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    "A manager manages a fighter's career". Oof. Excellent explanation.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The major conflict of interest when a boxer competing in an event is also the promoter of that event is the promoter pays everyone working the show, including the judges.

    So, one of the boxers competing in a fight is also paying the referee and the judges their salaries to officiate his fight.

    There is no greater conflict of interest than that.
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Delahoya could pay of everyone because he's the boxer and promoter, you're telling me Arum couldn't do the same when he was promoting Delahoya?

    The only way to get out of there being a conflict of interest is to get rid of all promoters and have an arbitrary third party put up the event and sell it to the public, and even then how honest and un-corrupt can that third party be when they want continued success with each promotion and would prefer the bigger name in the even win the contest????

    Anyway you cut it, there's going to be conflicts of interest in boxing, Delahoya promoting his own fights isn't going to increase the probability of corruption taking place, if that were true he'd have gotten the decision in his fight with Mayweather.
     
  12. ACOPromotions

    ACOPromotions New Member Full Member

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    The Muhammad Ali Act prohibits a promoter from acting as a manager in the USA. This law does not apply in other countries
     
  13. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Dont ask Al Haymon what ever you do!
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    A manager doesn't just manage a fighter's career they also have to manage their own career too. So basically they have to manage a bare minimum of two people's careers and most of them have numerous fighters in their stable who they have to manage the careers of.

    Egis Klimas has to manage the careers of all these fighters whilst simultaneously managing his own

    Loma
    Usyk
    Gvozdyk
    Kovalev
    Egis
    Bestputin
    Gaibnazarov
    Alimkhanuly
    murtazaliev
    Mytrofanov
    Nikitin
    Murtazaliev
    Nursultanov
    Ualikhanov

    But then again a promoter also has to manage their own career as well so I guess it's accurate to refer to them as managers too
     
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