What is the difference between Calzaghes and Pacs wins ?

The fact that we are in agreement on this particular subject does not mean I value your opinions/judgements on me as a poster. Your middle-of-the-road middle-ground mediator-style posting is not something to be admired IMO, many times I have observed you making posts purely to receive acclaim/applause, which is very easy to come by if you continually intervene just to sit on the fence in the midst of a debate. You often mention that you have "majority opinion" on your side - the key give-away that you are insecure in your opinions and require frequent validation from others. Thus, your opinion/judgement of me matters not a jot to I, someone who always has the courage of his convictions irrespective of whether that invites accusation and/or abuse. :good

 

No, I'm ditching this thread as I think the point has been made to you and made well by many - fail. Sorry to be blunt, but you've been way off on this one. I wish you could remove the Union Jack sunspecs sometimes.

 

But its very easy to say shot this and shot that after the fight. What matters is what people said before the fight and how the said "shot" fighter performed in most recent fights. In this case DLH performed very well previously and 18/20 experts picked DLH to beat Pac. In RJJ case, most experts thinking with their head said RJJ was shot, even Calzaghe said RJJ was shot and RJJ has been KTFO by tarver & Johnson back 2 back. Not a comparison.

If Pac made Vitali Klitschko look silly tomorrow will you just claim "shot"? No. Thats not how it works son...if DLH looked shot only on that specific night and not previously, its because Manny made him look shot that night.

What happened was a simple case of DLH being past prime both in age and weight & Pac carrying the weight so well. A past prime DLH would be a B+ fighter, Pac was an A+ fighter and cos he carried the weight so well he still remained as that, thus he demolished DLH.

 

.....ok ah erm 'Dr' thanks for that psychological analysis of my posts on a boxing site.

The more sane and reasonable explanation might simply be that sometimes I do see the logic in other peoples arguments, even if I don't agree overall....as I've demonstrated in this thread.

And I do confess that unlike your good self, I don't come into debates looking for an argument....so I refrain from throwing about insults or sarcastic responses to those who I don't agree with....

If you consider that pandering to the majority to recieve acclaim...on a boxing forum :rofl I think it says alot about you as a person...

One small example of going against the grain, just for you and I've recieved intense criticism for this: in the lounge I said Liverpool will finish in the top 2 at the beginning of the season and have maintained that now....

Trust me, it isn't a popular opinion :yep

Until next time, newbie :hi:

 

Man United will win the league, and although Liverpool look stronger than Chelsea right now, Scolari could fix that in January. I think you will have egg on your face come May. The 'Pool always find a way to **** it up. :hi:

 

Yep, can't disagree too much with those sentiments. However, there are a few factors that I pinpointed at the start of the season to give Liverpool hope.

1. United being without Ronaldo at the beginning - likely to cost them points early on and force them to play catch up. I think this has been proven to have been a correct prediction

2. United head out for that World Club Championship thing this month. Could cause fatigue and further dropped points. We will see....

3. Chelsea being in transition with a new coach....they have certainly seemed weaker thus far, and I'm not convinced they have the financial power they once did to bail themselves out in January.

Liverpool however, seem to have trouble breaking down teams at home and scoring goals in general...that's something they have to deal with.

So far though, my predicition is looking pretty good.

Anyway this is lounge talk until next time :hi:

 

the only difference is DLH quit on his stool and Glass Jaw Roy fought on. I do think Calzaghe carried Roy the last three rounds and could have KOed him if he had wanted instead he just showboated and clowned Roy.

 

I agree. Hopkins and Jones bothe started their careers at the same weight as Calzaghe. They are also old and just about shot. Calzaghe ALSO is bigger than both of them. Moving up to fight them means NOTHING.

If Pacquiao punches ANYONE as much as Joe punched Lacy; that guy is going to die . How Joe doesnt stop Lacy is beyond comprehension. Joe supposedly sat down on his punches and still could not ko a china chin Jones . Jones had no fight in him after what? the 2nd round?

and Manny isnt a cheeky **** either.

 

Could you please just sh the **** up. Hey drugs is not good for your health. You should stop that cause its affecting your thinking capabilities.

First off all, rjj is way more past his prime than oscar. Rjj is being beaten koed by lesser opponents when rjj is younger but callslappy failed to do that. Oscar gave the former p4p king a good fight and schooled forbes. Oscar still have that power to knock pacman anytime. And ******* the size difference pls just try to use your brain. Before the rjj calslappy fight, joe is the favorite to win the fight while pac and delahoya its obvious that pac is the underdog.

I will not explain to you any longer and be specific because i want to give you a chance to prove yourself that you are capable of thinking. I really do beg to disagree that you are serious about what you are saying because your stupidity is beyond moronic.

 

Both are the same. I think the only difference is Claazaghe's was much more competitive.

 

It's becoming apparent on ESB, that the Brits are having a difficult time accepting the fact that Calzaghe and Hatton will not go down in history as ATGs.
They're a bit sensitive, no?

 

wasnt the point at all. and i dont give a **** who goes down as this mythical " ATG " bollocks.

 

Lots of ****ing morons here.

I know Pac had balls to face DLH. That much is true. But this version of DLH is not even the one that Forbes fought. He ONLY gained 2 pounds after the weigh-in.

He was just a TALL fighter, NOT a bigger one.

And like all the taller fighters Calzaghe fought, he broke them.


Let's face it, even Roach agrees that DLH shrank so much, he wasn't able to rehydrate at all. RJJ when Calzaghe fought him was in better shape than the DLH Pac fought.


DLH WASN'T BIG, HE WAS TALL.

But just that. Tall don't matter if you can't fight because you're ****ing dehydrated.


And to all those morons who say that Calzaghe wasn't able to KO Jones, you DID NOT WATCH THE FIGHT AT ALL. Calzaghe stopped murdering Jones by the 8th round and toyed with the man.

 

the difference is this. slappy joe did not send his opponent to the canvas. in fact he kissed the canvas twice. against bhop and rjj.

the last time pac kissed the canvas was when he got tagged by hussein. (the knockdown by mab on the first round was clearly a slip as shown by the video.)

in the meantime, pac has sent his last 3 opponents either to the canvas, jmm and diaz or forced the opponent to quit.

ko or tko is miles apart from slapping your opponent silly.

there lies greatness bro. it is not being undefeated. you keep on harping on calzaghe undefeated record.

ali lost. srl lost. foreman lost. duran lost. hagler lost. hearns lost.

get over it bro. you are too fixated on that zero. nuthugging shoudl be considered a crime.