What is the difference between Calzaghes and Pacs wins ?

Dinamita's problem is that he has an unhealthy obsession with 'P4P', and it's cousins 'H2H' and 'ATG'.

As these are mythical designations, there are no provable relevant facts that can be cited to end an argument, thus the obsessive finds themselves dragged deeper and deeper into the mire of speculation. This leads to the obsessives treating their own opinions as determined fact, and anyone who disagrees with their opinions as an enemy. The dangers to the determined 'facts' therefore have to be torn down in order to protect their own mindset.

It occurs that this is something peculiar to boxing. One doesn't see such obsessives in athletics debating who is superior between Usain Bolt or Kenenisa Bekele, for example. It would seem pointless, they exist in different orbits. Horseracing fans don't debate the merits of a derby winner vs a grand national winner, such would just seem bizzare, clearly they are built for completely different events.

But a lightweight boxer and a light heavyweight boxer are likewise just as 'similar but different' as a sprint runner or a long distance runner. Why the obsession is so strong in boxing fans is a mystery.

 

is this thread still going?? those who are posting here are just fanning the flames of stupidity and idiocy that the TS started. :-(

 

Anytime, I thought you would enjoy.

No-one denies your right to reply to any such thread you wish, of course. Or, indeed, create the threads in the first place, as you often do. It is volume and compulsion that distinguish the true obsessives from those just wasting some time in a hobby.

 

Comparing JC win over RJJ against Pac tko win over Hoya is like saying salt is sweeter than sugar.

First of all, JC fought RJJ whom was the best of the best, he deserves the credit for having a win against RJJ on JC's resume. None did say it was a farce nor a mismatch. Even if JC had kiss the canvass on the opening rounds, he still slapped his way for the W.

On the other hand, when Pac vs Hoya was talked about, boxing analyst say its a farce because Hoya would annihilate this lil pacman, boxing fans calls it a circus because theres no way Pac can defy the disadvantage against Hoya. Pac and roach got laughed at taking or even thinking this fight... Hoya was picked on too for bullying a lil man instead of fighting his own division... Not until after the fight, Pac defied all odds, size, weight, reach disadvantage, predictions, boxing analyst and fans all over the world. Who could though of a man from 106 division will have a TKO win of a man whom is a 10 time champion and fought all the way to 160 division.

Stop being blind you fools, JC has his credits due, But taking the impossible risk is much more awarded than anything else.

 

Silvermags give credit where credit is due, i give Manny credit for his win over DLH, i give Joe credit for his win over Jones, you only give Manny credit. Boxing is all about respect and you and people like you don't give respect to certain boxers.{SHAME ON YOU}

 

De La Hoya was shot........Roach said it, Hoya said it, everyone saw it and Pacquiao's people knew it otherwise the fight would never have been made

Forget comparisons with RJJ because he was finished years ago, but, as I said De La Hoya was completely shop worn, done, shot etc

Months before the fight Freddie was saying Oscar couldn't pull the trigger......

The way Manny beat up on Oscar was impressive but De La Hoya had nothing, literally nothing.....weight drained, 35 years old, had his face damaged by Steve Forbes, no stamina, couldn't pull the trigger

As Hatton said after the fight, it was sad to see such a faded legend get beat up like that after all he did for the sport

 

Can't agree here Stonerose: I'm a big Calzaghe fan and he's my favourite current fighter but in no way is beat RJJ superior to DLH.

People are again acting like genuises in hindsight: most felt that DLH held all the cards simply because he was that much bigger than Pac and didn't even feel it concievable that he could hurt Oscar.

I was one of those, instead I was left mesmirised as the little buzzsaw cut through a great fighter like no one ever had done before.

Oscar's form going into this fight wasn't so bad: he destroyed Mayorga, extended PBF far more than Hatton did, he beat Forbes easily. Sure, he has become a part time fighter, but when he has fought he has looked pretty good IMO. Past his best for sure, but still a very, very good fighter.

RJJ on the other hand, was destroyed brutally twice in 2004. Defeated easily in 2005. And since then has looked mediocre against a couple of relative nobodies and even lost a few rounds to a blown up WW that had been retired for the past 3 years...

When you consider where PAC began his career (Flyweight), the fact that he was a big underdog and also that DLH hadn't looked shot to pieces prior to the fight, you have to accept IMO that this PAC win is an excellent one and far superior to Calzaghes over Jones.

 

I haven't read most of it mate, didn't really seem worth it. Just pop in every three pages or so to see if the same people are still repeating the same points.

On page 13, we can examine the classic phenomenon of obsession burn out if you like. I reckon you're about due. :good