What is the highest possible HW ATG Rank that Wladimir Klithscho can achieve?

Nothing impressive about beating austin.

Yeah but every boxer still aims to wear those belts. Unifying those title claims is pretty much the endgame.

His older brother doesn't consider himself a challenger, and he certainly cleans up nothing fighting the likes of briggs, sosnowski, chisora and charr.

So before this era, what was the weakest in your opinion? How do you judge the ruler of said era?

 

Kinda like Dempsey and Wills?

 

Haters gonna hate.. This is not like May and Pac, or Bowe and Lewis not fighting each other. This is between Family and blood. A family that is very close unlike the Mayweather's who want to kill each other over stupid ****.

 

Yes how does one determine what era is weakest? Football, Basketball, Tennis, Golf, whatever it is, people are always saying that the old timers where better.

 

Nostalgia tears.
The fact that we don't have bloated lhws or middleweights fighting for the HW title, or 2 guys under 200 lbs fighting for the title anymore is a sign the HW has become stronger.

 

It's a matter of opinion how well fighters would match up to each other, I agree, but there's no need to debate who is more talented between guys like Walcott, Moore, Charles and then Chagaev, Ibragimov and Valuev. The skill level that Marciano faced was incredibly high and on pure ability, there is no comparison between the three modern heavies and those from 60 years ago.

I agree with this but it's not about the belts, it's about the opposition. Vitali has fought Solis, Arreola, Peter and Adamek, all guys who were legitimate challengers for 'the' world title. Vitali fought them, not Wlad. That's what I mean by sharing the reign. Ali had to fight everyone, Louis had to fight everyone, Holmes had to fight everyone - Wlad and Vitali have to fight 50% of the top challengers.

Let's not be disingenuous here. We both know that Valuev has been linked with Vitali far more than Wlad. We also know that Povetkin has rarely been mentioned to fight Vitali. There is definitely selective picking going on.

 

Didn't Holmes share it together with another Don King fighter.
Atleast for some time.
Don King wants as many belts as possible so these guys won't fight each other.

 

Nope.

 

I have him top 15 currently so maybe with some big dominant wins over his top contenders he can crack the Top 10. Big maybe.

 

The Baby Klit's opposition has been VERY suspect. His best win to date, IMO, came fighting against a CRUISERWEIGHT.

The alphabet organization's trinkets are MEANINGLESS. There is NOTHING impressive about collecting a string of belts by beating a series of BUMs, STIFFs, TOMATO CANs, No Hopers, and Ole' Men. All the while, Wlad STILL has NOT beaten the #2 HW in the world at ANY time in his career.

It really doesn't matter. The FACT remains, Baby Klit has not fought the second best HW at any point in his career.

Corrie Sanders?

What does it matter? Wlad is, without question, the weakest of any heavyweight "champion" to ever rule over a weak era. Holmes, Tyson, Marciano, Louis all ruled their respective eras a LOT more impressively than does the Baby Klit.

 

He fought and stopped #1 HW - does that count?

 

that's not his fault big black men can't fight, he's been beating bros for 8 ****ing years .

 

The issue with Vitali being around is that he's beaten guys who would be worthy opponents for Wlad. Other heavyweights beat every top opponent - Wlad hasn't fought the number 2, and he's also only fought 50% of the other top level fighters around because his brother has got the other 50%. That hurts his resume.

People can say "Wlad would have beaten Arreola/Solis/Adamek etc." but the fact is, he didn't. His brother did and therefore, there is a clear argument to say that he hasn't dominated his own era.

 

Byrd was outweighed by 40 pounds plus Wlad had already beaten him.

What do you think?

 

Is this the best you can do?

Pathetic...