What is the highest possible HW ATG Rank that Wladimir Klithscho can achieve?

by 25 pounds. Same number as Lewis outweighted Holyfield.

 

Holyfield >>> Byrd

There is no comparion to be made between Lennox' and Wlad's resumes.

NONE.

 

The majority of heavyweights have their best victory against someone who could likely make cruiserweight.

You think there's nothing special about unifying, well I do.

Well he beat the number 1 which is better than beating the number 2.

Sanders was before the championship reign. I'm talking 06 onwards.

Just a general question. At the point lewis retired what do you consider to be the weakest era in hw history?

 

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Total domination.

:deal

 

Adamek is the only one of them who entered the top 5. You seem fairly ill-informed as to hw history generally speaking.

I suggest you actually read up on your history and compare win lists to rankings as your claim about other heavyweights beat every top opponent is highly spurious.

 

Typical Klittard apologizing. The Baby Klit was 40-1 and the WBO title holder when he fought Sanders.

However, since you want to wear blinders and ignore the Baby Klit's career prior to 2006 then I'll say this - the Baby Klit has not fought one single HW of any significant notoriety since 2006. NOT ONE.

Wlad's competition post 2006 has been the epitome of abysmal.

 

Who gives a **** about top 5? Two of the top five are the Klitschkos, so are you seriously suggesting that there can only be three other heavyweights who are considered "top"? Come off it.

I'm well aware of heavyweight history. Unlike you, I don't obsess over BoxRec in order to create some stupid criteria that nobody takes seriously. Wlad possibly being the best ever heavyweight? It's just contrarian bull**** that someone who has watched boxing for 5 minutes would say.

You need to back off BoxRec for a while. There isn't a single poster who studies that nonsense who comes across as knowing anything about the sport, yourself included. I don't mean that as an insult but the fact is, legacies aren't built on black and white. I know you'll come back with some illogical retort like "Wlad beat 7 top 10 fighters, Sonny Liston only beat 3" or whatever, and I have no time for that. You may as well be arguing that Celtic are better than Arsenal because they are more dominant in the league.

 

But...but...he's beaten so many ex-world champions and so many in the top ten!!! :crybaby

It's bull****.

Wlad's opposition in the past 6 years has been remarkably low. The most unskilled, least determined crop of heavyweight challengers I have ever seen. They're a joke. None of the guys Wlad has beaten in the last 6 years even came to fight. Not a single one.

 

What about Mr Excitement David Haye? How come he didn't come to fight? He ended up getting banned from HBO. I thought he was going to save the Heavyweight Division.

 

Haye didn't come to fight because he's got a glass jaw and was hopeful he could land a good shot to win by knockout. He's not a skilled fighter and fought ridiculously carefully, because he didn't want to get hurt. It's pathetic. The heavyweights today don't have a champions mentality which is why they keep losing. The last fighter who took the fight to Wlad was Peter back in 2005. That's a joke.

Watch most title fights in any division in any era and you'll see the challengers give their all, even when they are outskilled and outgunned. That didn't matter to them. The list of pathetic heavyweight who Wlad has fought is laughable - they don't even ****ing try to win! And Haye is one of them, and that's why he disgraced himself. Going to war and getting knocked out is the way a fighter should do it, not run like a coward for 12 rounds.

 

:nono Byrd UD Holyfield

 

By the way, the worst thing about Haye is that for 11 rounds, he allowed himself to throw away the fight without any effort to turn things around. He did nothing to try and win the bout. Then in the 12th round, he went for it and landed the only punch in the entire fight from either man which hurt the other. Had Haye gone for it earlier, maybe he would have knocked Wlad out, I don't know. The fact is though, Haye, like many others, didn't go for it. They simply sit back and hope to survive.

This era is unprecedented in both skill level and in desire. There has never been such a mentally weak list of challengers.

 

Really?

The top ten?

Wlad makes it in the top twenty.

Vitali has no chance.

 

This logic is very faulty. First of all it's not like Wlad has just been sitting on his ass not fighting( Except waiting for Haye, and recovering from his own injuries). So to fight all those names wouldn't be possible yet, at least at this rate. Lets not forget, how many fighters( champions ) fight more then 2-3 times a year anyway. And there's also always the chance and likelihood that he will eventually fight those names.

Secondly if Vitali wasn't around beating these guys, eventually these top contenders would have to face each other while they waited out their shot vs. Wladimir. Meaning more then likely they would have to face each other, leaving one of them with new # in the lose column. Thus sending them back and in the rankings and line for another title run. So to assume they would all still be undefeated or on the same roll they were when they fought Vitali is just speculation. However I guess these guys could have avoided each other if that was the case, but then you would just mock them whenever they did get the title shot(Wach).

After Adamek's performances against Vitali, and Chambers. I would love to hear what you would have to say if he were to fight Wladimir in the near future. Anyway their all riding winning streaks and could end up being Wlad's future opponent.

Wlad also didn't beat Dimintrenko, a once top 10, undefeated, padded record guy. Chambers and Pulev did, does Wlad now, still have to fight him, since he was once ranked along with him.

 

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