What is the one most important factor when rating a boxer pound-for-pound?

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Actual ability, and everything else far behind that.
     
  2. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For me, achievements and resume are basically the same thing.

    Resume includes achievements.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    :think

    That isn't really my problem, as I don't do all time rankings. :yep

    Keeping tabs on the sport in my own time, and having at least a basic working knowledge of the preceding few generations, is as much time as I'm willing to commit. If I was independently wealthy and/or there were more hours in the day it might be different.
     
  4. Icky Monker

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    It should be wholly based on ability, skills and fighting style - as in, if they were the same weight and punch power carried or dopped respectively (perhaps also speed too) then who are the best fighters.

    Resume/achievements help show off such skills by providing a benchmark against which to measure them.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    You get it. :nod
     
  6. hellblazer

    hellblazer All-Time Greatâ„¢ Full Member

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    Resume

    who did this fighter fought and beat to become a P4P candidate.
    unlike some other fighters before like Pongsalek Wonjongkam
    he keeps on fighting nobodies and defending his belt against bums etc.
    and achieved a record of title defenses..
     
  7. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    ok then.... based on ability who would ya'll have as #1 p4p?...would it be any different?
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    OK, for all those who say resume and achievement are the same thing, and I don't believe they are: if a boxer came along and said he was so sick of the alphabet titles and the politics that he would never fight for a recognized world title, but he had the backing of a powerful promoter, and still fought all the best guys out there but used money to get them to take him on in non-title bouts, the guy could then have a great resume, but to have achieved very little in a material, Money Mayweather, titles and trinkets sort of way.

    This could easily happen. Fighters are getting sick of fighting for the alphabet organizations. Wasn't Manny Pacquiao shunning the major world titles for a while and defending the WBC International? And isn't Sam Langford still (rightfully) considered a great heavyweight of the pre-war times despite never achieving one world title win?
     
  9. Jd!

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    for me there are two lists

    p4p, and atg

    p4p - irrespective of weight - who is the best fighter on the planet. if weight was not an issue, which fighter would be the best fighter ever to lace up gloves. this is where people like harry greb - who due to his resume, for me, will be ranked higher on this list, than the ATG list.

    atg - which boxer has achieved the most - this takes into account resume, achievements - distinguish between the two if you want - some people see a difference, others don't; this is where people like henry armstrong will find themselves ranked higher - due to his achievements in holding three weight championships simultaneously.
     
  10. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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  11. TommyV

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    They're practically the same thing, but with the explanations you've given the answer is resume, clearly.
     
  12. Undisputed P4P

    Undisputed P4P esb FBL & FIFA 12 champ Full Member

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  13. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    i think achievement is part of resume
     
  14. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Well then in either case you should see where others are coming from with their opposing views on what P4P means?
     
  15. Cookie

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    It's incredible how few understand this fairly simple concept. The question is never "who is the most accomplished boxer?" or "who fought the better fighters?". Those are different questions which can be considered in their own right.