What is the overall opinion of Rodrigo Valdez? Overrated or underappreciated?

Very very good! For the record I always thought he would abuse Marcel Cerdan.

 

Indeed, he was a tiny Heavyweight

I have just purchased a lot of DVDs of him from RB so I should have opinion when I get round to watching them.

 

The stoppage of Briscoe is obviously a massively unique achievement. Yes, I think he was a greater middleweight than DeJesus was a lightweight. Both would be HOFers and very possibly acclaimed as ATGs today if not for Monzon and Duran.

 

The love and high rating for Benn seems mostly to be a British thing, mind you(he's one of the most overrated English fighters of all-time incidentally imo) and this is a Brit and American dominated forum.

The roles would probably be reversed on a more south\latin American dominated forum.

 

"H", "m" where is the difference?

In a German dominated forum he wouldn´t even be mentioned. And Sven Ottke would be the greatest of all-time.

 

:good

 

I seen Valdez fight live and watched him in the gym, he was a solid middleweight that could punch and smooth as well, he had an nice assortment of punches...One of the best middleweights that I have seen behind Monzon and Hagler in the last 40 years...1970-2010

 

Everyone has their opinion. Not all of them make sense though.

 

Damn right......deal

I have "Monzon-Valdez" on tape.... Valdez dropped Monzon for a flash knockdown... A good scrape with Monzon getting the nod over 15 rds...
:bbb

MR.BILL:hat

 

Vinnie Curto ans there were a few in the felt forum but I had to double check the record book (to be honest to remember the other names. Bobby Cassidy was also in the Garden but Jose Rodriguez and Kim Booker. I also seen most of his later fights and I used to watch him train at the 28th street gym. It is funny but Emile Griffith trained in that gym and Clancy would never let Griffith spar with Valdez

 

Not too many here are as aware of that as you are Bummy..I used to see Valdez fight every time he was on if Wide World of Sports and CBS Sports Spectacular televised him..the matter of how really good Valdez was is a credit to how great Carlos Monzon was...they both get sold a little short around here sometimes by some posters. It blows my mind that Valdez is referred to as a "slow plodder". ****, he'd eat alive any middleweight around today, and most of them since he quit the sport.

 

Just watched a whole lot of Valdez today, and here is my impressions on him.

I know this is a clique but he really is a 'great fighter from the waist up'. His footwork really does let him down, he is almost entirely static in the way he fights, any lateral movement can throw him off.

In his bout with Jose Rodriguez, Rodriguez was just a tidy wee boxer and his lateral movement kept Valdez having to reset constantly, and all he was doing was stepping to his right and 'round' Valdez's left foot. Valdez had to keep pivoting his foot round, or stepping again, and allowed Rodriguez to out-manuever him completely.

In this way he is slightly James Toney-esque as he struggles with movement specifically to his right. Although his footwork, even when static, is much poorer than Toney's IMO, his feet tend to be a bit all over the place and are constantly moving around for power in his shots. But he sure can hit, he at times jumps with his feet to get power into that left hook, it is just very unorganised (bit like this post) and untidy, but does generate him a lot of power.

Ok, now onto the waist. His head movement is generally very good. At times, especially earlier in his career he would bob and weave with sharp explosive movement and get inside brilliantly to land some hard counters. It was real nice to watch, he is slick with his head movement, but he can be hit as he often neglects it and his style is aggressive so getting hit is part of his job. In his bout with Bobby Cassidy he does it pretty well.

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Right onto the hands now. His punches are generally good and well delivered. He pack s a wallop in both hands, and is genuinely a chilling puncher in either hand. His left hook is what I would say his main weapon is, he tends to get inside with it as a counter, or is used to set up his big right, he is real dangerous with the left hook because of the angle he throws it and the way he uses it as a counter-punch. However, he does tend to throw it a bit wide and can leave himself a bit wide open. He has a nice but often underused jab, also.

His right hand is where the destruction lies, in either and overhand right or a short, sharp right uppercut. His longer over hand right tends to be delivered at long-mid range to cover him falling inside and it is a very dangerous punch. Once inside he tends to favour the right uppercut, which is destructive and he can really slot it up through the middle with brilliant accuracy. He often doubles up his right normally with a right hook to the body (but occasonally the side of the head) and then whips in the uppercut up the middle. It works real good, as it is very unexpected. Again, as with his left hook, he does tend to leave himself pretty open when he lets his hands go, but his offence is generally enough of a threat to keep him safe, and he has an iron chin.

People, say another weakness of his, is that he is a slow starter and he is. He just tends to mozy along in the early rounds and takes a slow pace. But he can up the pace when need be. When he sees the opening he will take advantage of it, and is still a dangerous puncher. He just tends to not put much pressure on and do very little, especially against movers. But as the fight progresses he tends to up his workrate and become a bit more awake.

Overrall, I think Valdez is a superb fighter. His offence is very good and he is a lovely counter-puncher, however he is one of those fighters that can look really good against certain styles but he has weaknesses that can be exploited badly by other styles. Still I think he is a great fighter, and not so much underrated as forgotten, or unremembered.

 

really did you say any opinion in some time ? every time that i saw you post , you put a stupid face
what are you doing here? are you boring or some thing?