What is the perfect size for a Heavyweight?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It does go into their entire bodies, and even ricochets back. It absolutely discharges through the entire body of the target and even into the canvas/ropes to which they are anchored.

    But the differences here are going to be very small, and it's certainly not worth getting bent out of shape about.
     
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  2. McGrain

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    i'd say so
     
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  3. Mr.DagoWop

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    Yes but not to a significant to degree like you said. The majority of the force is absorbed into the target area. (Head, body, arm, etc.)
     
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  4. McGrain

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    I didn't say it was significant.
     
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  5. Mr.DagoWop

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    "not to a significant degree" like you said. I should have used a comma. oops.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Well i'd say that it is obvious that if Joe Frazier lands a hard punch on a light-middleweight with a good chin, say, Alvarez, and a cruiserweight with a good chin, like Gassiev, we should expect a very different result.

    Similarly, if a Wladimir Klitschko lands a very hard punch on a 200lb fighter with a good chin like Gassiev, and a a 250lb fighter with a good chin like Vitali Klitschko, we should expect a very different result.

    That's the level I would see it at.

    But it's not just people, it's things. If you hit a 300lb heavy bag as hard as you can and a 150lb heavy bag as hard as you can you'll get a very different result.
     
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  7. mcvey

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    I forgot the title of the thread.

    Remembered now,about Joseph Parker's stamp, 6'4" 230/240 lbs.His arms could be a bit longer though.
     
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  8. Legend X

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    At heavyweight, maybe a lighter fighter with a granite chin has to "learn to take a punch" more so than a heavier guy with a granite chin, in some situations.
    Due to that "bodily absorption" that goes on beyond whether they can hand their head being rattled.

    For example, compare a 210 skinny-legged Holyfield against the thick-legged solid 240 pound Foreman.
    They both had granite chins, but Holyfield had to bend with the wind more, for sure.
     
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  9. Mr.DagoWop

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    I'd say that comes down to training and getting used to taking a punch. A 200 lb guy who has never taken a punch before won't fair too well against Joe Frazier as much as a 150 lb guy.

    A 300 lb heavy bag is heavier than a 150 lb bag so it takes more force to accelerate it at the same rate. F=ma. If you apply a force to a 150 lb bag and it moves 2 m/s^2 then that same force will only make the 300 lb bag move 1 m/s^2.

    A guy like Alvarez probably isn't used to taking a heavyweights punch whereas Gassiev is because that is who he spars with.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    All of this is true, but it's also true that bigger fighters are capable of introducing more energy with punches than smaller fighters.
     
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  11. reznick

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  12. Mendoza

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    Good post.
     
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  13. juppity

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    Once a HW usually weighs more than 265 lbs they become less
    athletic. That's why UFC MMA has a weight limit of 265 lbs. The
    best athletic players in American Football , Rugby and Rugby
    League are usually around 100 to 115 kgs.
    Can't see why boxing HW no different.
     
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  14. choklab

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    Punch resistance has more to do with anticipation. Max and Buddy probably had similar resistance but in a combat situation the better boxer rides the better punch and his reactions will give the impression of taking a better punch.

    It's mumbo jumbo to suggest one brother physically has more of a glass jaw than the other even if one got knocked out more easily. The one who gets caught Square more often goes over more often.
     
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  15. louis54

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    6 2 say 205.....problem with boxing for say 6 3 athletes is they often lack the quickness to slip punches well...just reality...but give me more guys strong..skilled...but more confident of a Walcott type...maybe physically he was close to ideal heavyweight contender size...thanks
     
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