Watch the Garcia/Salido fight. Unlike a cut, the referee will notice it right away, but with broken nose its not visible or the referee didn't even inspect his nose or let the doctor inspect it. What happens if the butt didn't break the nose, but weaken it enough that subseqent punches brakes it. That would come close to the small cut caused by a cut and became larger afterwards. It seems to me from last night the Garcia complained of the broken nose caused by a head butt at the end of the round, the doctor physically inspect that it was broken and also Garcia indicated he didn't want to contiue as the nose was giving him problems. I was OK with what Garcia's calculated complaint, but interested to know the protocol also.
They called the doctor in to check & confirm it was broken - asking for his advice along with the ref... they decided to go to the scorecards. Ref: "I saw the headbutt" Doctor decided that he wouldn't continue and they should go to the scorecards... The ref calls the scorecards from unable to continue caused by an accidental headbutt. Accidental foul - Since ref said it was an accidental headbutt. http://www.abcboxing.com/unified_boxing_rules.html B. Accidental fouls. 1. If an accidental foul causes an injury severe enough for the referee to stop the bout immediately, the bout will result in a NO DECISION if stopped before four (4) completed rounds. Four (4) rounds are complete when the bell rings signifying the end of the fourth round. 2. If an accidental foul causes an injury severe enough for the referee to stop the bout after four (4) rounds have occurred, the bout will result in a TECHNICAL DECISION awarded to the boxer who is ahead on the score cards at the time the bout is stopped. a. Partial or incomplete rounds will be scored. If no action has occurred, the round should be scored as an even round. This is at the discretion of the judges. 13. A fighter who is hit with an accidental low blow must continue after a reasonable amount of time but no more than five (5) minutes, or he/she will lose the fight. It's not really a fight stopping injury and the accidental foul rule is controversial to some... With the way the fight was going and the situation i'm happy with it... Marquez could have called it in the 5th and gone to the scorecards with Pac - that would have been controversial
Not to be overly technical, but just like a cut the referee would say the cut was from a accidental head butt. Logically a cut must exists for him to say that. For a broken nose, its not possible to see it. Another words, the cause and effect is not evident like a cut nor was the broken nose confirmed by a doctor immediately after the butt.
You could clearly see Garcia's nose was re-arranged and broken. The doctor felt the nose with his thumbs and felt it broken. Have you ever had a broken nose? or have seen some one receive one. You really don't need to be a doctor to tell if someone got a broken nose.
No I've never had a broken nose. Ok, lets say this happened last night. Garcia got head butted the same way and a few seconds later caught 2 power shots straight to the nose. That's why I am saying the referees response to a broken nose cause by a head butt should be a same as a cut. I personally think the nose was broken by the headbutt, but that judgement part was past. Like a football touch down can't be reviewed after the extra point is attempted. Also to be honest with you, I have seen alot of boxer coming into the ring with crooked noses.
Yeah but Mikey's nose wasn't as crooked coming into the fight as how crooked it was when the fight ended. I hear what you are saying about the Ref seeing the foul. In this case he did see the clear foul and it was near the end of the round so nothing else was able to land worsening the situation. Fighters just have to hope the ref is doing his best keeping his eyes open to catch these things.
The Doctors confirmed it was a broken nose which is very severe to end the fight which the doctor decided to stop the fight if you watch the second doctor come in and confirm its a broken nose he says they should end it. So Mikey win was by the books, the Accidental foul was to severe to continue because of an accidental foul so it wen to the scorecards.