What Is The THIRD Greatest Win In Heavyweight History?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Cross-Trainer opinioned last week that Schmeling held the greatest win in HW history, over near peak Joe Louis. Second would be Frazier over Ali. I agree that these are the top two, but would swap them.

    Do you agree? What do you think is the THIRD greatest win in HW history?
     
  2. Holmes' Jab

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    Holyfield vs Tyson I
     
  3. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali- Foreman......
     
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    3. Johansson TKO 3 Patterson

    4. Dougless KO/10 Tyson

    5. Ali KO/8 Foreman
     
  5. Raggamuffin

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    Ali- Foreman
     
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    Buster's win over Tyson.

    We tend to take it for granted these days, but it's not called the greatest upset in sprting history for nothing.
    Tyson was 37-0 with the world at his feet. He must have been super, super confident at beating Douglas, a walk in the park as they say. Buster on the other hand, had failed a few years earlier to take the IBF crown against Tony Tucker, a Tyson victim. He was the fall guy who EVERYONE thought was just another tasty snack for Tyson.
    The talk was Tyson-Holyfield, everyone was looking past Douglas already.

    In the end, it may not have been vitage Tyson, but he wasn't that bad and Buster just took him to the cleaners in a magnificent display of boxing, knocking him out with a beautiful four punch combination.
    It forever shattered the Tyson aura of invincibility and did untold harm to Tyson's psyche.

    Can you imagine Tyson's surprise when Douglas started belting him?
     
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    Ali - Foreman

    douglas - tyson at the time had to up there as one of the biggest upsets in boxing ever
     
  8. Holmes' Jab

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    I know the Buster win will go down as the greatest upset ever, a great win etc. No questioning that fact. I do honestly believe, though that the version of Tyson that Holyfield defeated in '96 was far sharper, less predictable and far more purposeful for a longer period of the fight than the weary, straight line advance and lack of combination punching fighter that Buster upset so convincingly.

    I know Buster wasn't that highly regarded as a threat, however this could be said to be the case regarding Evander by 1996- after the meaningless win over Czyz and the defeats to Moorer and Bowe II he was regarded as a shot fighter. Remember the number of experts predicting a Tyson blowout. ;)

    In terms of the bigger upset it's Douglas, in terms of the better win it's Holyfield I, in my view :yep
     
  9. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manila. When Ali was interviewed by Howard Cosell upon his final resignation of the HW Championship, Muhammad identified that match as his best fight. Ali made distinctions between his most important win (Liston I), his peak performances (Williams and Folley), and his best fight (Manila). It's therefore interestingly ironic that others on this thread are naming Ali-Foreman as the third greatest heavyweight win, when Ali himself cited Manila over Kinshasa. I will go along with Muhammad's own assessment of his career achievements, and agree with him that Ali-Frazier III was also the third greatest in this category.
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Foreman-Frazier or Ali-Foreman.
     
  11. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is hard to say for sure, but here are some candidates for #3
    (1)Jack Johnson ko 14 Tommy Burns....The First Black Heavyweight Champion in an era that racism was still very strong and in fact still a government policy
    (2) Joe Louis ko 1 Max Schmeling...2 super fighters representing super power governments right on the brink of WWII
    (3)FloydPatterson ko3 Ingemar Johannsen .....The first man to regain the Heavyweight title
     
  12. rekcutnevets

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    Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling II was the greatest win in heavyweight history.
    Schmeling was Hitlers' represented(unwantingly) view of white supremecy. This fight was to prove that everyone that wasn't white was inferior.

    The U.S. was sending someone up against someone from a country that we would be at war with a few years later.

    The second most important would be Johnson vs. Jeffries. It is probably as important in the U.S. as the fight mentioned before, but it didn't have the whole world as a stage like the other fight.

    3rd would be Johnson's win over Burns.

    4th would be Corbett's victory over Sullivan. It set the tone for boxing's future.

    5th would be Frazier's win over Ali. That was the biggest thing, event wise, as boxing has ever seen.

    6th was Ali's victory over Foreman. Not only was it miraculous at the time, but location and everything that went in to making that fight contribute to its importance.
     
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    Douglas' win over Tyson was the greatest.
     
  14. My dinner with Conteh

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    Yeah, Douglas-Tyson has to be up there.
     
  15. C. M. Clay II

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    Foreman-Ali is the greatest win in HW history, IMO. Foreman was at his peak and he got schooled. Louis was not peak, neither was Ali against Frazier. Then at #2 I would say Tyson-Douglas. Then at #3 I would put in Louis-Schmeling I.:good