What is WBC's HW mandatory situation?

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  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Seems everyone has a different understanding of this, and I can't find anything online, the WBC website has nothing about mandatories. Anyone know FOR SURE whether Stiverne is already a mandatory or whether there is supposed to be a final eliminator? If so, can you refer to an online source?

    Obviously it would be corrupt and disgusting if Stiverne was handed the mando position without an eliminator. That's what I've been led to believe is the case, but Ive never seen anything official from WBC about it. There seemed to be an online concencus that was the case earlier, but I haven't heard any movement on it and there's plenty of talk about other matches for Wilder now so I'm wondering if Stiverne is a sure thing after all. I wouldn't have a problem I'd he was just forced into a final eliminator with Ortiz. Winner would definitely deserve to be mandatory.
     
  2. Liquid Fire

    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    As far as i can tell it is:

    'If he barely has a pulse, has clearly definable bingo wings & lacks any real pedigree then give that man his shot'
     
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  3. The Nightfly

    The Nightfly Tonight the night is mine Full Member

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    I thought the Whyte/chisora winner was next in line?
     
  4. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah, that's part of my confusion. That's supposed to be a voluntary defense. If Stiverne was already mandatory, you wouldn't think he could be setting that fight up.
     
  5. The Nightfly

    The Nightfly Tonight the night is mine Full Member

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    I don't understand it at all

    Since when did they start doing eliminators just so the winner could possibly be a voluntary defence???
     
  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah, it's weird. Helenius and Chisora are both represented by Sauerland, so it was easy for Wilders team to make a deal with them like that.
     
  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Anybody? Mods? Would really like to know where they stand right now.
     
  8. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    if hes a bum has no chance hes up

    ha
     
  9. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    they got stiverne on top

    then ortiz

    then pulev

    ha
     
  10. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    whyte is number 4

    but the wbc picks who they want

    not whos number one

    ha
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    They're waiting on what Wilder wants them to do/say...
     
  12. BCS8

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    Wilder's people are calling Arreola as we speak, to see if he doesn't want another chance.
     
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  13. DKD

    DKD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mandatory defences are corrupt nonsense.

    It's a governing body trick to either:

    A. Manipulate a lesser fighter into the number one contender slot in order to give their favoured champion an easy fight. (Often while they are waiting for a more lucrative bout to materialise.)

    Or

    B. To manipulate a favoured fighter into the number one slot in order to try and get rid of a champion they would rather replace.

    In the old days mandatories would be put forward by the governing body if promoters had failed to sign their preferred fight within around a hundred days of the previous defence. The idea being that champions cannot hold belts to ransom for years on end while trying to pick and choose easy fights for as much cash as they can get. It's supposed to be like a safety valve to stop belts stagnating and avoid promotional corruption.

    Worst examples I have seen of corrupt mandatory manipulation in recent memory are the WBC allowing Mayweather to hang on to his junior middleweight belt for around 2 years with no intention of defending it. Also when the IBF manipulated Dan and then Bizier into the mandatory position in order to give Brook easy defences.