what made lennox lewis so great

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 - Muhammad Ali
    2 - Joe Louis
    3 - Sonny Liston
    4 - Lennox Lewis
    5 - Joe Frazier
     
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  2. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    this your all time list? i have him 5th
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Yeah. I think 3-10 is justifiable personally...I rate him that highly. Of course, it depends on how you weight these things.
     
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  4. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    even so me having him at 5th, i think on his day he could be the best H2H
     
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  5. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would say the key to his greatness was hitting the right opponents in the face enough times.
     
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  6. J-Dog

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    :lol: witty
     
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  7. McGrain

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    GUYS I MAKE A FAVOURITE OVER HIM

    Muhammad Ali. Great movement, very accurate, I would expect him to win rounds. Meanwhile, his chin is so great that Lewis doesn't have that punchers chance.


    Joe Louis. Very special composite puncher. I don't pick against Lewis consistantly because of his chin but here is a case where he is likely to be exposed. Lewis with exactly the right tactics might be able to win, but I feel that he would try to sit behind the jab, wrong thing to do against the Louis shoulder roll, step, combination punching.


    Sonny Liston. See the list on page one I made concerning Lewis' great skills? Liston overhauls him in a lot of these departments. But no money going down on this one.



    50/50 Fights

    Mike Tyson. Peak for peak, I favour Lewis very slightly, but not so it's meaningful. No money going down on this one.


    Jack Demspey. Small, but so very aggressive. Not quite 50.50 but I think it would be a difficult style for Lewis.
     
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  8. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    nice post and analysis, i think ali may have been a little small to fight lewis. i would probably agree with you about liston, but i would back lewis to stop frazier, the other two are certainly 50-50 fights
     
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  9. swedeone

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    His Jab.

    Period.
     
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  10. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very Tactical, almost to a fault.
     
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  11. Zakman

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    Don't forget that iron chin! :lol:
     
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  12. Feiti

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    Sorry but the old timers just don´t measure up physically. Sonny Liston was far from a master boxer as you could see from his humiliations at the hands of Ali. Lewis would be much physically bigger than Liston and a better boxer. Lewis by early KO.

    Joe Louis is too small (around 210 pounds) and generally fought much worse fighters than Lewis did - Lots of fighters who´d now be cruisers and part time fighters. Same thing with Dempsey but to a bigger extent.

    Ali and Tyson would be good matches for Lewis though if you are talking prime for prime. Both fights could go either way I think.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Why are you taking old, drunk, under-motivated Liston and matching him with Lewis? Yes, peak Lewis would knock this fighter out. No, that's not relative.

    Liston was "only" 215lbs - the same as modern great Iron Mike Tyson, who I bet you think is somehow more competitive, despite the fact he is around the same size - but in terms of physicality he is right up there.

    His reach is longer than Ali's Or Holmes's.

    His fists are bigger than Tyson's, Bowe's, Lewis'.

    His chest is larger than Lennox Lewis' when measured expanded.

    This list goes on and on. So your statement "Old timers don't measure up physcially" couldn't be more innacurate, actually.

    And when does boxing go "modern" by the way, if Liston is to be considered an "old timer"?

    Louis has more great fighters in prime on his resume than Lewis does. Lewis has exactly O. Louis has one at HW and one at LHW.


    Your fixation on size is very odd. Do you think Tyson is competitive in a modern HW division :lol:
     
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  14. Feiti

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    Physcially doesn´t necessarily just mean size. Tyson for example is physically superior to Liston because of his vastly superior speed and reflexes. Tyson´s skills were also far in excess of Liston´s.

    Lewis is taller, heavier and more skilled by far than Liston so I don´t see Liston being much of a threat.

    Your point about Louis fighting more "great" fighters is moot, because greatness is measured by how well you do in your own era. Back in these times, a huge percentage of the fighters were not full time professionals. Jersey Joe Walcott and Max Schmeling are not that great of fighters in my opinion either.

    Lewis beat both Tyson and Holyfield arguably both greats, who were admittedly not in their primes. Still, Lewis was #1 in the divsion at 38 - 2 years older than the Holyfield he beat. Lewis was also older than Tyson when they had their fight. And Lewis at almost 39 beat Klitschko, the next man to become #1 in the division.
     
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  15. Scar

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    Beating everyone worth beating in his division and dominating for a long time and also beating everyone he faced.
     
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