What made SRR the consensus GOAT of boxing?

well alot are blind since it's people like fits who were way more skilled and ali

 

I don't think beyond Langford and some other oldies like Greb whom I don't care to rate alongside the different eras can really compare. His boxing isn't really the end be all of offence as in he is the epitome of boxing itself like he is described he was absolutely a phenom of a fighter but I believe he had a lot of things in his corner for example he was almost 6 feet tall which was very rare in the era for a 147lbs fighter. Ray could take a shot and had athleticism in spades and sturdy hands (Yes) which can be overlooked but when you consider how frequent you fought then and the size of the gloves.... His longevity was excellent and he learnt from his mistakes which were few but his physicality I think played more of a part in his greatness then someone such as Ezzard Charles whom was comparably great but not quite as blessed.

I don't know a lot. I am still lapping up knowledge on the era but when It comes to the murders row I imagine those guys (The top ones) could have comparable resumes to Ray as far as singular wins and series go. Though obviously they were subject to different problems of there own and some suspect situations alongside cases like Kid Chocolates alleged dives and perhaps a bit of courtesy came into play? IDKSAB but I imagine long series with a fellow struggler leads to taking it easy on one another knowing they're fighting next week and not gonna make much $ anyway. YES I am getting the Toledo book so I'll have to come back to this post a little more educated lol.

Anyways what I was getting at bringing up "The row" is you don't have to go far to find better (Or comparable if you prefer) singular wins in boxing, plenty in own era and even his weight class. Ray had a lot of great ones under his belt and just didn't seem to hit a rut like a lot of the oldies did at times. His defining feature is his consistency at the highest level (Of course at his best) his record is simply in an immaculate state.

Just my 0.2$

 

He's the accomplishments GOAT, with a resume that's crazy. A lot of posts similar to this can be found breaking down not just the volume but the quality of his wins:

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Now, of course, there are arguably crazier resumes out there like Langford and Greb, but it's hard to know what to make of them because the institution of boxing was not in its modern form.

I'm not commenting on their abilities, but when you look closely at their records you see things like prearranged draws if the fight went the distance and fights where it's unclear who the opponent really was.

Check this out: https://boxrec.com/en/event/87613

How much weight do you give to a win over a guy who died a year before the fight?

With SRR we have the sport in a relatively modern form and we have film that shows a guy who would be a problem in any era.

 

Why people call Greb an old timer compared to SRR? Are people aware that Greb was only 27 years older than Robinson? Compare that to Maywether, who is 56 years younger than SRR.

 

The world changed a lot in those years, perhaps more than in any other 27 years ever.

 

Maybe, but I don't think boxing changed that much.

 

Inside the ring the experience must have been similar, but overall I'm not so sure! There's a standardization or professionalization of how the sport is run that is in a much earlier stage in the 20s than it was post war.

Part of that is Jim Norris and the IBC who, through villainous means, brought some order to the chaos. Now that only applies to part of SRR's career but it did represent a meaningful change from how things were done in Langford's day.

 

Whilst i do agree with the names you posted all being at the top of the tree, i have rarely seen Robinson rated out of the top 2. Occasionally ive seen him 3rd but no lower

 

Robinson had no weaknesses.

 

Because his fights were black and white

 

yes mate, thats fair enough. if one wants to dig deep enough then you will find some who rate him out of the top 3 but for the most part, in my experience, hes been rated no longer than 3 and, by far, not less than top 2, but i take your point

 

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This is a pretty good breakdown of Robinson's genius.