What makes a fight classic?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by SorceryatCaesar, Aug 4, 2008.


  1. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Archie Moore vs Yvonne Durrell doesn't count then?
     
  2. rock_lv

    rock_lv Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry, I meant that these are two fighters that some of the general public are more familiar with. Apart from hardcore fans who really would have ordered Vasquez-Marquez on PPV? Maybe I am a little more biased towards the bigger weight classes.
     
  3. Cain

    Cain Member Full Member

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    Lotsa drama + 2 big names or the 2 best in a division = classic imo
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I agree with Mcgrain. You know one when you see one. It's much easier to provide antecdotes than it is to pin it down to a dictionary type definition. Brilliant match making lies at the root of most classic fights, and a "classic" battle can take place at pretty much any skill level. I'll name a few examples, and in so doing, I'll start at the bottom.

    Furious Freddy Curiel vs Ross "The Boss" Minter: Poor Freddy looked like somebody took a brick to his face, but with about 30 seconds left in the fight, he hit Minter so hard with a perfect counter right that Minter was DONE.

    Augustus/Ward: Barn burner throughout.

    Bika/Codrington: Most of you saw that one!

    Arguello/Mancinni: A 20 year old kid with something like 20 pro fights gave a living legend all he could stand for the first 12 rounds. At the end of 12 it still looked like anybody's fight. Then of course Arguello put the hammer down.

    Hearns/Lenoard I: No explaination needed.

    Hearns/Haglar: Arguably the most exciting 3 rounds in boxing history.

    Pavlik/Taylor I: Seven brutal and fast paced rounds that ended with a skinny, pasty faced, white kid from the midwest dethroning an olympic medalist and universally recognized midleweight champion of the world.

    Cotto/Margarito: Ya just gotta love a great underdog victory.

    Classic fights are something you can describe, but you can't really define the term.
     
  5. Manos de Piedra

    Manos de Piedra Active Member Full Member

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    high boxing quality, shifts in momentum, the abilty for the fighters to hurt eachother, high stakes, prime fighters, elctric crowd, willful fighters
     
  6. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Ali and Frazier were past their primes in Manilla for the third meeting. Surely your not going to tell me that wasn't a classic even though they were past it. It was probably the greatest heavyweight fight of all-time.

    In some cases fights are better when two opponents rematch when past their primes. Mainly because they are slower, less mobile, reflexes gone, and generally easier to hit. More punches landed means more entertainment and brutality.
     
  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Intensity, Pace, and seesaw action. ala Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito.
     
  8. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the fights participants have to be of the highest quality. Plenty of ebb and flow you cant have a lopsided contest the fights have to go back and forth both men must dig down deep and impose their wills. Action. There must be offense both guys throwing punches, nonstop action. When two greats engage in the above you have a classic fight.
     
  9. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For me its always been the pace of action, the guts shown in the ring, and you hit it on the head with change of momentum. Something about seeing the situation reversed brings a sort of dramatic storyline satisfaction, especially if it happens within a round such as Hagler Hearns first round or my favorite Morales Barrera 1 round 5. Back and forth action is the best. Oh yes, it must be competitive, no blowout or one sidedness. For example, to me Duran/Hearns was not as great as Leonard/Duran 1. Nor was Leonard/Duran 2, though it was clearly dominated by Leonard, as good as the first one.
     
  10. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    SRL vs Hagler wasn't a classic???

    Ali vs Frazier 3 wasn't a classic???
     
  11. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A fight could be a classic because of many reasons.


    -The importance, relevance or greatness involved.

    -The quality of the fighters.

    -The action, excitemente, etc.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's the best definition yet, but it excludes, for example, Louis KO1 Schmeling. Certainly a great fight.
     
  13. SorceryatCaesar

    SorceryatCaesar Leonard-Hagler author Full Member

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    there's early prime, mid prime, and late prime.
    ali-frazier 3 was late prime for both. in fact, it finished their primes - so brutal and demanding was it.
    leonard-hagler was late prime.


    moore-durrelll - i confess my ignorance.

    the classic 'classic' matches mid-prime against mid-prime, but it's rare. leonard-hearns 1 may fall into this category, though leonard was 2 1/2 years older and in his fourth Big Fight, while Hearns was in his first.

    how about boza-edwards - chacon as a classic? or boza-edwards - limon?
     
  14. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    :good
     
  15. john b

    john b EVERTON 0- OLdham 1 Full Member

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    Can't believe nobody as mentioned castillo v corrales 1.