I made a similar comment in another thread, pertaining to Spence's boxing ability. We've all been subjected to the hype. This notion that Spence is/was a generational Welterweight. I've long been of the opinion that the hype was complete bull****. Good fighter for sure, but not even remotely close to a historically relevant name in the Welterweight division. Going by resume, Spence didn't achieve greatness. And going by actual H2H ability he was completely overrated. My question is what exactly does he do that makes him so amazing? He's a pretty good body puncher, I'll give him that, but that's about it, and there are certainly better body punchers around. Spence is slow. He does not have great power. He has cement feet. He has slow reflexes. He makes technical mistakes. His work rate is nothing special. So what gives? Where did the hype come from? Was it as cynical as him being an American with a large ethnic following that the suits could easily exploit for money?
He was a typical PBC smoke and mirrors blud which built his career on featherfisted mfs. I think he's decent and I find him entertaining but I watch him when I like fast food. He's on the same lane of Charlo and Tank imo
What makes him special is ducking Terrence Crawford for 6 whole years, let me repeat that Six whole years. This is a record that will remain unbroken for a long time.
He isn't and never has been. He's a bigger, front foot heavy, slow as molasses, devoid of slickness, lumbering version of Manny Pacquiao, whose fans desperately wanted to be something that he wasn't. But blinded themselves to reality. Mind you, this is a fanbase which ironically and hypocritically consists mostly of some of Manny's most ardent haters.
Excellent post. He was a shitty version of Manny Pacquiao who was backed by Pacquiao's biggest haters.
Are pbc the only promotional company who engineer their fighters marketing etc? Ie. Promote their fighters?
He was the best of a mediocre bunch. Everyone saw his true level when he went up against an elite fighter.
For a brief point he was the best welterweight in the world. He is kind of plagued by Thurman avoiding him and the eye injury that cost him the pacquiao fight. While there’s no shame in losing to Terrence Crawford, he was wiped out. wins over pedersen, porter, Garcia, ugas are all solid wins but he lacks that signature victory
PBC is the only answer. Thurman was the best of that group followed by Porter. Porter faced everyone and made his promoter work for him. Thurman had the highest ceiling but just got bored. Spence was hyped, but never took challenges. He literally was the PBC poster boy talking about the other side of the fence. Boots better take note, cause ain't no 30 year old prospects.
The way he thoroughly dominated Mikey Garcia was impressive at the time. Mikey was seen as P4P at the time and Spence just dominated him pillar to post. No one was expecting that level of one-sidedness. Before the car crash Spence was a problem. Great conditioning, high work rate, good fundamentals, difficult to outpoint. He also got a ringing endorsement by Floyd Mayweather at one point.
Wtf are people talking about version of Manny Pac? Nothing similar between the two. Didn't Porter also really beat him?
I thought everyone was expecting Spence to KO Garcia and that it was a mismatch because of the size difference? I was disappointed in that fight, Spence seemed content with winning a safe decision and Garcia never pushed the pace and looked happy to be able to see the final bell. I lost confidence in Spence after that fight.
That's another way to look at it, but given how talented Mikey was, the expectation was that it would be more competitive, and it was shocking how dominated Mikey was. Mikey had never been dominated like that before, he was high on the P4P rankings IIRC. But yes Spence was unable to stop him. But that was part of Mikey fighting so defensively, sort of like Jermell Charlo vs Canelo to an extent.
What are you talking about ? Mikey Garcia was a big underdog against Spence and expected to lose. He moved up two weightclasses and everyone could see he would have a mountain to climb in regards to the size difference. A majority of the fans were picking Spence to win with numerous people picking Spence to win by KO. You left out alot of context in your post especially the part with Garcia not even trying to win and Spence not willing to try for a KO against a much smaller man.