What makes one a historian?

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  1. PeterD

    PeterD Member Full Member

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    Read a couple of books recently and they both mentioned various boxing historians.

    Was wondering what makes one a historian?

    Writing a book? Doing articles for online sites or magazines? Owning a large collection of books and magazines?

    Is it more of a collective term for anyone who writes sensibly about boxers?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am a boxing historian. Self-proclaimed, of course. But does that really lessen the achievement? :dunno
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Watching a lot of boxing over the years.
     
  4. The Senator

    The Senator Active Member Full Member

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    I consider myself historically inclined, I love studying the history of the sport(and many other things) but with absolutely no body of work worth speaking of that I could point to, and with an inferior set of knowledge compared to people who really know their stuff, I'd not call myself worthy of the title "historian" when it comes to boxing. Doesn't stop me from enjoying a good discussion or throwing my two cents in now and then, but I know my limitations.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Basically it means that a person is recognized by others who know the sport and its history as being an expert on the topic.

    That’s unlikely to happen without being published by a respected (as in real) publishing house or in recognized boxing or sports publications (in print or online). I don’t think self-publishing a book makes one an expert or historian ... it means they have the financial means (which isn’t a lot) to pay someone to publish their book.
     
  6. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Been a boxing nut/fan for 50 years, read 1000s of Mags, dozens of books, watched 100s of fights, so didn't give it much thought, but yes, I would say I am a Historian, in fact don't really watch much these days, prefer books .
     
  7. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same here.
     
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  8. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bert Sugar was considered a boxing historian...

    I'd rather not have the honor.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well it's like anything else really, to be a professional historian you need to be paid to provide that service.
     
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  10. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    the best historians are the ones who dont call themselves historians, but have simply followed the sport for many years and have studied fights from before their own time.

    the ones who proclaim to be historians have a bad habit of trying to inject their own politics and narrative into the story to try and set a tone that honestly has no place in being there.

    a perfect example of this would be Bert Sugar. you cant just simply get an objective breakdown of a fight from the guy, he's always trying to ad some political social angle to everything.
    a more modern example of this would be the trio of Lampley, Merchant and Kellerman.

    thank god for youtube, I had been following the sport already a good 20 years before youtube, and in those days it was very hard to catch old fights unless they were broadcast on ESPN classic, and even those would only be the most famous fights, not the lesser known. also back in the day in Ring Magazine you could order fight tapes from guys that had huge boxing libraries for around $30 to get about 30 or so rounds of various fights on a VHS, but outside of that, you had little hope to watch fights from by gone eras.
    once YouTube came out I spent a great amount of time watching any and every old fight or fighter I could think of. it really blew the narrative out of the water for many of the fights I had read or heard about from the so called historians
     
  11. The Senator

    The Senator Active Member Full Member

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    Haven't tried the fedora and cigar route, but I can personally confirm that the degree in history is utterly worthless to possess unless you're good enough, hard working enough, and lucky enough to make use of it. Your mileage might vary on that front.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I remember all that stuff...some of those boys are still going, selling stuff on DVD. Guys aren't understand that owning it isn't about owning something physical any more, not in the same way.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    It’s a term that means different things to different people. In theory, just about anyone who researches and writes about boxing history can claim to be a “boxing historian.”
     
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  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    In real history, it is a doctorate degree and publications.

    In boxing history, a cigar and fedora will suffice.
     
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  15. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If through no lobbying or self-proclamation of your own, a significant number of other people knowledgeable about a topic generally agree that that you are an historian, then you can begin to lay claim to the honor. But always remember that you and the others may be wrong.