What makes Roy Jones Jr's Achivements much better than calzaghe's?

Pavlik was taylor made for Hokins, as he was smaller, weaker, SLOWER and less skilled Hopkins always beats these types of guys. Hopkins lost to Mitchell in his first fight and it was at 175, coming into his fight with RJJ he was undefeated at MW and didn't lose again until he fought Taylor at the old age of 40. People say he too green when he met RJJ depite being older going 22-0 at MW before he got to RJJ, was he at his peak ? IDK BUT he was in his physical prime.

I've been watching Hopkins since 99,and he has been on the decline since the ODLH fight the last time he gave a beat down was against Joppy, see Bhops used to pressure guys hurt them late and win most of the time by stoppage, he now fights in spurts which is why he hasn't stopped anyone since ODLH, he simply tries to to score pts and get decisions as he can no longer fight the way he ued to.

 

First off where do I say he is Prime, dip****?. Of course he is past prime, but he is nowhere near ****in shot.

I said the version Calzaghe fought is a much better fighter, and he was/is, than the one Jones fought.


Ive seen plenty of Hop fights, and there is NOTHING in the Baptist,Aquina and Mercado fights that indicate he was anything near the fighter that fought Tarver,Winky,Calzaghe or Pavlik.

 

Excellent post :thumbsup

 

Further more Pavlik would not have gone past 7 against a young BHops.

 

No I havent , i thought I would just make **** up for a laugh through boredom.

I apologise profusely, the Hop that fought Baptist and Aquina was without doubt a better fighter than the one who beat Winky and Pavlik. That 28yr version was the true definition of a P4P fighter.

 

Like i said stop trawling boxrec and actually watch his fights. Il say it again one more time STYLES MAKE FIGHTS. Hopkins was a known quantity for years. No one wanted any part of him because he was dangerous and carried no economic clout. It wasnt until he partipated in DKP`s tourny and handed Tito his ass that the world took note. Despite that he held the IBF title and defended it numerous times since Jones vacated it at middleweight. Have you seen his fight with a prime Glen Johnson? Or the beat down he gave Antwun Echols? Didnt think so.

 

Id say his physical prime coincides with his fighting prime 99-04(IMO). I dont think he was too green when he fought Roy, Im saying he wasnt the fighter he was last year. In better physical shape, probably.

Id say he left his prime around 04/5.

 

You can keep saying til youre blue in the face, but i have watched Hop, for years. No need for Boxrec.

I agree styles make fights, but that doesnt change my belief he was a better fighter in 08 than he was in 93.

Ive seen both fights you mention, and know when he got his big break, and none of that has anything to do with the comparison of 93 Hop to 08 Hop.

 

A 99-04 version i agree.

A 93 version i dont.

 

Fact: James Toney was world pound-for-pound number 2 behind only Pernell Whitaker at time of his fight with Jones.

Fact: The fight with Jones was in 1994. Also in 1994 within the 168lbs limit, Toney knocked out the excellent Prince Charles Williams after building up a points lead, and stopped the dangerous Tim Littles (24-0) in 4 rounds in one of the best performances of JT's career. Judging by your post, you have not seen these fights, most definitely not the Littles one in particular.

I am a Toney fan, but it was prime Toney that Jones beat. He may have been weight-drained on the night and he may have gone into a slump after that night, but there was nothing to indicate that his prime was over before the Jones fight and it is revionist history to say so now.

 

Why is this thread still going?? No-one has refuted the above post and no-one is going to be able to, the case is closed, they are two boxers on entirely different levels of greatness.

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I can't believe boxing fans think RJ has a weak resume, its mind boggling. How many fighters beat two ATG's in their 20's? These same people say he ducked Dariuz Michelowski, who's best win was kind of put in perpective when RJ used him (Hill) as a tune up a few months later :deal

 

Hop was number 3 when Calzaghe beat him. Was he prime. No.

I wouldnt describe Williams as excellent at the best of times, never mind his first and only appearance at SMW. Littles was dangerous, ill concede, but he wasnt exactly great and dispatching of him, however quick, doesnt make me forget the other fights around the time. Hop's performance against Pavlik doesnt make me question when his prime was.


Disagree, I have seen the fights around the time in question, and for me he aint prime.


Im not saying he was shot, or it was a bad win or anything like that, but if someone came up to me away from this thread and asked when Toney's prime was, I wouldnt be recommending any fights from past 93 to show them.

That is all.

 

Hmm, I don't see how a case can be made for Calzaghe having comparable achievements. On the other hand, Calzaghe is undefeated while Roy has been brutally knocked out twice.

 

That makes me laugh. Michalczewski, yeah that WBO champion who was knocked out by Fabrice Tiozzo and beaten by Julio Cesar Gonzalez (who Jones dominated), what a massive hole in RJJ's resume that is, it's like Ali not fighting Frazier, isn't it?

If people wish to go down the road of who Jones and Calzaghe did NOT fight, then you've got Michalczewski for Jones sure, but you can have a ****ing FIELD DAY with Calzaghe!!!!

I prefer to look at who they did fight and beat:

Jones's top 8 wins:

- JAMES TONEY
- BERNARD HOPKINS
- JOHN RUIZ
- ANTONIO TARVER
- VIRGIL HILL
- MONTELL GRIFFIN
- THULANE 'SUGARBOY' MALINGA
- MIKE McCALLUM


Calzaghe's top 8 wins:

- MIKKEL KESSLER
- BERNARD HOPKINS
- JEFF LACY
- BYRON MITCHELL
- CHRIS EUBANK
- ROBIN REID
- RICHIE WOODHALL
- SAKIO BIKA (or you can have ROY JONES JR if you want here, whichever you personally prefer. I view that win as utterly worthless so I prefer Bika, but a matter of personal choice)


I mean, seriously??