What makes Roy Jones Jr's Achivements much better than calzaghe's?

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"The linear LHW champion when RJJ moved up who beat Virgil Hill (before Jones), Rocchigiani, Montell Griffin, and several other contenders before losing to Gonzales and Tiozzo in his last 2 fights, the only losses of his career" works better for me.

If Jones had beaten DM, I think the case for it being the 2nd best win of his career would be perfectly reasonable. Toney is the clear-cut #1, and then you have a pre-prime Hopkins, Hill (who lost to DM), Ruiz, Griffin (who lost to DM), and the close win over Tarver.

DM was the best LHW available for Jones, and it hurts his legacy that he didn't fight him.

That being said, Roy's career is overall far more impressive than Calzaghe's. Both can be faulted for some things, but what Roy did is easily more impressive than what Calzaghe did.

 

LMAO. What bull****, dude. BHOP's physical prime was in the 90s. He was already the the same fighter as early as '92 when he got the quick (premature) stoppage of Powell. Only kids and guys who weren't watching his fights WHEN THEY HAPPENED buy into the argument that Hopkins was in his prime (in any sense) when he fought Trinidad, Taylor, Tarver, Wright, Calzaghe or Pavlik. He is a great example for staying fit, living like a spartan, and maintaining excellence into relative old age (for a fighter) but his prime years were in the 90s. Hop was already having trouble balancing middle age against the 160 limit by Echols. He was losing some of his quickness as he got to 34/35 and couldn't compensate by putting on the extra pounds to increase his power because then he couldn't make 160 with his frame. He wasn't some green immature fighter when he fought Roy either. He was pushing 37 when he met Trinidad and was way past his physical prime. He needed to move up and instead became even craftier to make up for his comparative disadvantages against younger fighters. That is why Taylor proved such a problem - he was too young and strong (prime) while Hop wasn't as quick (as in his own prime) and was actually weaker at 160 in 2005 than he had been a near decade earlier at the same weight.

 

Too bad that wasn't the question, jackass. :roll:

 

simply put, when rjj was making his run. he was knocking people out with ease or at least with relative ease until he reached his mid thirties. legacy wise, i think rjj will still be ahead of calzaghe. in my thread, i would have to do a tally but most posters there had either rjj or bhop as 1 or 2 and calzaghe as 3 in their rankings.

 

Yes, he outpointed Hill (who Jones KO'd in 4), he stopped Griffin in 4 (who Jones KOd in 1), and he beat Rocchigiani (who had recently lost twice to Henry Maske). As I said, I was not bashing him as a fighter, but IMO that was not a superfight that had to happen and that now exists as a huge black mark against Jones that he didn't (as Toney or Hopkins would have been). Jones dominated Gonzalez who beat Michalczewski, he beat common opponents in better fashion than Michalczewski, he was a vastly superior fighter in every way with a superior resume. I don't view the omission of Michalczewski from Jones's resume as any different from the omission of Ottke from Calzaghe's - for me they are factors of only marginal importance when discussing the greater fighter's career.

 

According to Badju.... Hopkins is like Benjamin Button. His physical prime came when he was 37 years old, not when he was in his later 20's atsch he is much faster now, quicker reflexes and lighter on his toes. He ages backwards. lol

Hopkins was a monster back then. While he became more crafty and came into his own, when he was younger he was aggressive -- power and speed.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your points that Jones was clearly a better and greater fighter.

My post was only in reaction to your comment that Michalczewski was merely "a solid WBO champion who lost to Gonzales." That is an understatement. Jones was better, no question. But saying he was better because DM lost to Gonzales, who was destroyed by Jones is like saying Hopkins was a better LHW than Jones because Tarver Knocked out Jones but was dominated by Hopkins. Michalczewski was at the end of his career for those losses. He was a very good and accomplished fighter.

the majority of RJJ's career was at LHW, and he never fought the linear champion and best fighter available to him at the weight in his era. That hurts his legacy IMO.

Nothing really to do with the comparison between Jones and Calzaghe. I already stated in that post that what RJJ did was far more impressive, and what they could of done means little compared to what they actually did. I just felt that your comments on DM were understatements. A win over him not only would have been one of the absolute best in Roy's career, but would have negated what is probably his biggest criticism. Mega-fight in terms of money or not, the fight should have happened. More so than a rematch with Toney, who was outclassed in the first place and was going nowhere at 175.

 

like Toney said, I should've never underestimated him.

YALL MUSTA FORGOT!

 

Damn it Badju quit posting on ESB. You've got wishful thinking Calzaghe fans buying into that BS.

Exactly. Not much else to say.:good

 

Exactly. I fail to understand why these Calzaghe drones cant see this? Hopkins adjusted his style as he aged as to most GREAT athletes. In his prime he was far more powerful and aggresive.

 

The only thing that is bull**** is the comparison between the fighter that fought Trinidad and the one that fought Roy.

I couldnt give a **** if you think he would do better on a bleep test or not, The Hop from 99-04 would have destroyed the one from 93. How the **** is that even debateable.


I have NEVER said he was prime for Taylor, never mind Calzaghe or Pavlik. I said that version is a better fighter than the 93 one. And he is. No question.

 

I said IMO his physical prime coincided with his fighting prime. 99-04. I obviously cant back that up, coz im not him.

As hilarious as the rest of your post is ********, i never said he is faster now, quicker reflexes and lighter on his toes.

I cant believe im being accused of the one not watching his fights.

Watch that "Monster"'s fight against Baptist, then watch that Old man against Trinidad.

Muppet.

 

The only people that should consider quitting is dip****'s who think he was a better fighter in the Baptist fight than Trinidad.atsch

 

He's American.