What middleweight in history could have beaten a fighter as big and as powerful as Callum Smith?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neither of them would have had a prayer of beating Roy.

    Ward was great, but there's never been a better SMW than Roy at 25/26.

    Ward and Calzaghe would have been a very intriguing fight. Ward and Hopkins too.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Based on what?

    I really like Callum. But let's see his career progresses a bit first.

    He's hardly done anything yet.

    How is he like Gerald?

    He's not as powerful as what you believe.
     
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    Okay. But why not just start with the ones who did actually move up to SMW and beyond?
     
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    Toney looked good at SMW in the lead up to his fight with Roy. He knocked out Tim Littles.

    Nunn never beaten a guy on Smith's level?

    He had a very close fight with Frankie Liles at SMW.

    As of yet, Smith has never beaten a guy on Nunn's level.

    We don't know how Groves would have fared against a big southpaw with Nunn's movement. We only saw him fight DeGale when they were young, and there was nothing in that fight.

    Reggie didn't fight at SMW, but he could have done had he have wished too. He knocked out a young prospect in Guthrie at LHW, and he gave a good account of himself against Tarver. It's not really relevant that Roy outclassed him. That version of Roy was capable of outclassing almost anyone.
     
  5. mark ant

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    Because a lot of those fighters were past it when they moved up, Hearns and Raay were nowhere near there peaks at SMW, Nunn wasn`t impressive after the Toney fight either, it wouldn`t have been much of a list and I wanted to include Robi`s era, even though it was probably only him that could have beat Smith out of the middles from the 50`s, I forgot about Charles but I don`t know how long he stayed at middle and someone said his body hadn`t matured at that weight by that stage, he certainly wasn`t a champ at middle and was a natural light heavy, having said that weigh-in`s were held the day before the fight back then so he was probably the same weight at 175 back then as Smith is now when he comes in the ring at 168, Charles certainly didn`t look any bigger than Smith aside from when he fought at heavy, Roy Jones is the only really good SMW who moved up from 160, I don`t know if Hopkins had any fight at super middle so he would have been left out.
     
  6. mark ant

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    Groves was a smarter boxer than Nunn at 168, Michael ditched his stick and move style from 160 and was actually quite gung ho at 160, Groves power would have been too much for Nunn who was dropped by Cordoba.
     
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    Littles looked crappy to me.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He is very powerful, Gerald was certainly more of a finisher because he always went in for the kill but he was wide open while doing this Smith isn`t his gurd is tight but both men were/are huge come fight time at the weight even though McClellan fought most of his career atr 160 come fight time he was far bigger though his body wasn`t as muscular as Smith`s.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ward and Smith were/are much better than Dell Vale who dropped Jones and hurt him badly, if he could catch Jones then Ward and Smith could have caught him and Callum is more powerful than Valle was and the punch Ward first hurt Kov with would have knocked Roy out, Jones missed a lot against Valle, Smith has a tighter guard than Dell and could keep Jones at a safer range with his reach while WArd was far more skilled than Valle.
     
  10. Loudon

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    Look, you asked the question:

    Which MW could beat Smith?

    COULD

    A lot of the fighters who I listed accomplished things beyond SMW.

    Not all of them were past their best. And even if they were they would have given Smith a fight. As of yet, Smith hasn't done a deal. We don't even know how good he is.

    It doesn't matter if Hopkins bypassed SMW. What difference does that make? We know that he accomplished things at LHW. You personally think that he would have toyed with Tarver in the early 00's. You said that to me yesterday. So Bernard has to go on the list, as we know that because he was a big guy who was successful at MW and LHW, we know that he had the capabilities of being a force at SMW, had he have chosen to have fought there. It's only logical to assume that.

    The standouts are:

    Roy
    Bernard
    Toney
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Yes I was only saying I wouldn`t have been able to pick Hopkins if I made the question based on only those that had moved up to SMW for 160, Hopkins would have been a nightmare for anyone at 168 and Smith has never been it at that level and I wrote the question so I could get opinions because I like to debate, I`m no clever cloggs I just call it how I see it and like to here other viewpoints, sometimes I actually learn stuff from peoples answers on here, peace.
     
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    George had nowhere near the movement that Nunn had. Yes, he had the power to have knocked him out had he have been given the opportunity. Yes, Nunn was faded at SMW and LHW. But again, George only fought one world class southpaw in his career, and as of yet, Smith hadn't fought one.

    It's a bold statement to say that George would have beaten him.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Well that just tells me that you never saw the guy.

    He may not have been a great fighter, but he was nowhere near crappy.
     
  14. Loudon

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    Gerald was huge at both MW and SMW.

    Smith doesn't have the power that Gerald did.

    Gerald had a great physique. What are you talking about?
     
  15. Loudon

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    You're all over the place.

    We weren't even discussing Roy vs Ward and Smith. But it's okay, we can do.

    Ward and Smith are orthodox SMW's.

    Del Valle was a big southpaw who fought at LHW, and who was Roy's former sparring partner.

    Despite Roy being caught with a great shot, he won every other round. It wasn't even close.

    "IF" is the biggest word in the dictionary.

    Also, you should know that triangle theory logic doesn't get you anywhere, as styles make fights.

    Predicting a Smith victory over Roy, based on the opinion that you think Smith was better than Del Valle, is really something.