What most people dont seem to grasp

Also, there's a mentality among many (or most) PED users specifically that they tell themselves (often correctly) that they aren't doing as much as the other guys.
I've known plenty of 'roid-users who don't really think of themselves as serious steroid users because they are always aware of people who are far more extreme than them. Often they say they do a little bit just to help them get over injuries, or just a little bit to give them a slight boost. They don't think of themselves as using to get an unnatural advantage, they think they are just get around a few unfortunate disdavantages.
It's a bit like those models and actresses who deny they've had plastic surgery or cosmetic injections. They probably feel justified in the denial because they really haven't had much done in comparison to other women they know, and because they are quite confident they are naturally more youthful and beautiful than most of the others anyway, they are just correcting something.
With the top PED users it's the same thing. As one champion weightlifter once put it to me: "with or without the drugs, the cream will always rise to the top anyway."

 

I don't like it but I've resigned the fact that PEDs are all over competitive sports. It's more worrisome though in boxing, MMA, football, and violent sports because of the dangers.

People are especially weird when it comes to baseball about steroids and other PEDs. A lot of people don't think dangerous, illegal drugs like speed is that big a deal but taking HGH or roids is a horrendous crime and shows an utter lack of morals. The intent is the same thing, taking an illegal drug in the hopes of playing better, but since it's "only" speed, it's not terrible like steroids.

 

This statement^ quite succinctly illustrates the legal/moral dichotomy of 'performance enhancement'.

Or - When does the use of a legal supplement (or method) become immoral?

 

Then we must accept that the gilded era boxers were on everything available. I have posted on here regarding the allegations that Dempsey used strychnine much as early distance runners and cyclists did. Other stimulants followed in subsequent years. If everyone is accused in the steroid era (and this must extend to Liston and Ali) then everyone must be accused in the other eras. Equal burden of proof.

 

Prior to modern science everything tried to offer advantages were "pseudo science". No real scientific data to support positive or negative physical effects. There is a reason why baseball home run records were shattered. Steroids. Taking these drugs are an unnatural advantage. Asterisks should be beside most all modern days athletes records.

 

Except for the guy with the money is going to have access to newer and better PEDS than the poor guy so nothing has changed, the goalposts have just been shifted.

 

This is the correct.
Testosterone/Dianabol is better than strychnine and cocaine* though.


* sounds like a concoction found in an Agatha Christie story.

 

Strychnine was used by marathoners and cyclists to good effect back in the day. The biggest risk was over doing the dose and losing the beneficial effects. I have also posted a study in this regard and am frankly too lazy to look it up again.

In regards to Coke, "Gimme the one I mixed."

And it must be admitted that medical grade stimulants were widely available since the 1920s. No one was ever tested for them,

Testing is a helluva lot better than no testing,

 

More important than PEDs, I think it's important to close the distance on a guy and punch his head.

 

Did anyone hit home runs farther than Micky Mantle?

What do you say of his little greenies, something that would be easily detected today?

 

Yeah, I'm guessing the strychnine and cocaine worked too.
At the very least it's one hell of a rush.

 

I know a guy who finished 3rd in the World 24 hour running championships.

He always asks me about my running when we meet, even though I am just a ham n egger.

He covered up all the Nike logos on his kit on the podium, in defiance of his sponsors, in protest over Nike's decision to sponsor Justin Gatlin.

The greatest athletes sometimes sacrifice advantage for their principles.

 

Damn. He hit further than SHW new-gen athlete Mark McGwire?