What most people don't understand about Frazier-Foreman II.

Well if you don't count jabs, upper cuts, and about a 5-6 punch combination that occurred in the first 30 seconds or so, I can see your point.

 

Foreman backed him along the ropes with combinations, what fight are you watching? Do you think Frazier went there because he wanted too?

He did land, some, Foreman landed more.

Foreman threw probably about 20-30 punches more than Frazier during that round, and if you think he missed with all of them you're blind, willfully or otherwise.

Yes, that would explain why the announcers thought that round was a draw. atsch

If neither fighter was landing the fight would have taken place in the middle of the ring, as it did for a brief moment during the round. After the round started, Foreman threw a 5-6 combination that backed Frazier into the corner and he started wailing on him. Yes he didn't land every shot, and yes Frazier occasionally fired back and landed a clean punch or two, but no way did he win the round. At the end of the round, Foreman again backed him into a different corner with imaginary jabs and upper cuts he apparently wasn't able to land.

 

Exactly I agree with KuRuPT on this one.

No one would ever favour Berbick to beat Tyson, or Patterson to beat Liston, or Walcott to beat Louis, so why would this be any different?

 

Oh I agree, but that doesn't then equate to a boxing reporter being any more reliable than a judge. You seem to suggest that boxing reporters are more authoritative than either the judges or the viewing crowd, and I don't.

 

Liston is a top 10 atg but I won't favour him over Ali.

The problem is Foreman can do Joe huge damage with just one hook. The moment that hook lands the fight is over. No one could ever hook with Joe, no one until Foreman came along and blasted him.

Even if you think Joe can jab and move for 10 rounds, his feet are not quick enough to stay away for the distance, even Ali realised that. Frazier can bob and weave the first 4 or 5 hooks but not the next 4 or 5 because he will weave right into one.

The idea that Frazier plays it safe, Foreman punches himself out and Frazier lays on a strong finish is just something I cannot get on board with.

Any swarmer is going to war with Foreman, if you do that it's game over.

 

Great rebuttal...if you're 5 or 6.

 

Because you're not actually answering. You think Frazier did well in this fight. He didn't. Your only case for Frazier doing well is that he did slightly better than the six knockdown, two round KO he suffered in the first bout. That's not impressive and it's not doing well.

After spitting out all the blood in his mouth. Chuvalo also thinks he won the second Ali fight.

So Frazier won the fight when they were both nearest their primes. Thank you for finally agreeing with me!

You said in your opening post that Frazier was arthritic and legally blind when he fought Foreman. Was he arthritic and legally blind when he fought Ali in 1975 or did these conditions just appear in the eight months between the Thrilla and Foreman II?

Oh, so if only Frazier had hated Foreman too, Big George would have been in trouble You just make things up out of thin air to fit whatever you're arguing. In this thread you've argued that Frazier was past prime when he got flattened by Foreman in 1973 but was much better when he lost a dull 12 rounder to Ali 18 months later because he hated Ali. And the 1975 Frazier that went life and death with Ali was much better than the Frazier that Foreman beat 2.5 years earlier because he still hated Ali, but completely shot, arthritic and legally blind when he got KO'd by Foreman again eight months later. Very convenient.

Have you ever considered that maybe it was actually Foreman himself who was making Frazier look bad by bouncing him around the ring and beating him easily? Do you think Ali would have KO'd Frazier within five rounds in 1976?

 

In Round 2? Give the youtube clock time:

Round starts roughly at 7:59

Foreman's offense

8:05-Foreman left hook clearly misses by a mile.
8:06-Jab comes up short
8:09-Jab is very clearly ducked
8:17-Double Jab. First touches Frazier, second misses.
8:21- Right hand lead comes up short
8:25- Jab gets through Frazier's guard
8:27-Jab is clearly slipped
8:35-Jab goes over Frazier's head
8:35-Foreman pulls back on an uppercut
8:36-Double Left Hook. First is short. Second hits Frazier's arm.
8:38-Uppercut misses by a god damn mile
8:39-Frazier taps his own head and a Foreman jab is short
8:41-Sloppy uppercut kind of bounces off Frazier's outside leg (you counting that?)
8:43-Jab is smacked away
8:44-Jab misses


So what punches are you talking about in the first 30 seconds?

All I see is two jabs of little consequence and a punch to the thigh. No 5-6 punch combos, did you confuse this with a Tyson fight?

 

You're funny Mongoose lol.

Though I will say, he may not have landed all these guys are saying he did, but he still landed enough to blow him out... again.