What most people don't understand about Frazier-Foreman II.

Youtube time:

8:47-Frazier gets caught by a Foreman jab while clowning
8:48-Foreman pushes Frazier back with an outstretched glove and a right hand appears to be blocked (if it landed it wasn't very clean)
8:49-Uppercut misses...by a god damn mile, follow up sweep misses.
8:50-Jab misses
8:51-Foreman throws a combo but every punch misses, however it does force Frazier to back into the ropes. He clearly wasn't knocked there by punches though, man. They are big slow swings, and you can clearly see them coming up short. This isn't slow motion microscope work.
8:55-Foreman's Jab/Uppercut/Hook combo is all slipped with Frazier on the ropes
8:55-Frazier lands a very clean counter left hook that momentarily stuns Foreman and forces him to reset. Great Power Punch.
8:57-Foreman jab misses.
8:58-Some Foreman paws that don't touch Frazier
9:01-They both miss
9:04-Foreman right hook lands
9:10-Foreman his Frazier's guard a few times, looking for openings
9:11-Big uppercut misses by a god damn mile
9:15-Foreman misses an ugly combo by a god damn mile.
9:16-Frazier with a clean left hook
9:20-9:30 Foreman taps at Frazier's guard and misses more jabs. Frazier gets off the ropes.
9:40-Foreman misses a swinging combo
9:46-Frazier jab lands
9:48-Foreman jab misses
9:51-Foreman jab misses
9:54-Foreman jab lands/right swing misses
9:58-Frazier left hook glances, Foreman rolled with it
10:14-Foreman hooks at Frazier's guard (possible one got the body)
10:16-Foreman jab/hook combo misses
10:18-Frazier hook lands behind the ear
10:19-Lunging jab hits Foreman's eye as tries to pull away
10:31-Frazier jab lands, eye catching punch
10:33-Foreman misses
10:35-Foreman misses an arm wreary combo
10:43-Foreman hits below the belt, hip
10:47-Foreman misses some arm punches
10:48-Left Hook rocks Foreman back momentarily
10:52-appear to trade jabs

 

Foreman had a great round 3 where he really took charge and was in fact clearly landing punches. Not the rubbish bee swating these guys are trying to pass off for landed combos in round 2 and 4.

Well, Foreman blew him out in Round 5. Frazier was dead tired and not moving.

 

I've walked you through just about every swing he took in Round 2. I was right.

The only announcer is Cowsell and he says all kinds of crazy **** during the fight, and quite a bit of it is complimentary to my argument btw.

Why does the AP say "In the 4th, Frazier made Foreman miss badly and landed well himself."

Not true, Foreman was throwing a lot of punches and Frazier evaded him by backing up. Frazier also was trying to "Rope A Dope".

As pointed out the 5-6 combination thing didn't happen. At least not in the sense that punches were actually landing or even touching Joe.

Round 4 last 20 seconds.

At :15 second mark. A tired Frazier dancing around with open gloves, smacking a punch or two away.

At :13 he runs out of room and leans back into the ropes and lands a clean left hook.

:10 Frazier misses a right hand and left hook..he's gassed.

:06 Foreman actually pushes Frazier back towards the ropes.
So I would say those jabs and uppercuts you talking about were imaginary.


:05 God damn Foreman misses another jab.

:04 Foreman jab finally lands

:03 Loaded Frazier left hook lands, Foreman rolls well with it but audible connection that pops the crowd.

 

Once again........

NY Daily News June 16th 1976. **** Young
"Foreman won every round although the Coliseum crowd cheered Fraziers every punch whether it landed or not".

 

Actually you weren't right.

We must be watching different video's because the one I'm watching has 992,156 viewers, but more relevant is that the second round starts at 7:57


8:13 George taps/pushes him slightly with both arms, nothing
much happening before that.

8:17 Foreman lands a jab followed by another one which misses

8:21 Foreman throws an overhand right which is blocked by
Frazier

8:23 Frazier lands a left hook to the head, a second later
Foreman responds with a left to the body

8:31 Cosell starts taking about the differences in gloves.

8:40 Foreman throws 4 punches non of which land

8:42 Foreman lands a right to the body, looks low.

8:45 Cosell talks about how straight Foreman's punches are now
and that's he's punching crisply.

8:47 Foreman backs Frazier into the ropes by throwing a couple of
jabs followed by a right upper cut, which you can actually hear
land

8:49 Foreman's got his arm over Frazier who is ducking, and lands
a big upper cut. He throwing jabs, while Frazier bobs and
weaves,

so far absolutely no offense from Frazier whatsoever, besides the left that landed at 8:23. He hasn't even miss with his punches, he simply hasn't thrown hardly any.

8:51 Foreman again jabs and throws an upper cut, both land backs
Frazier up to the ropes,

8:54 Cosell comments, Foreman with that left getting in there

8:57 Frazier lands his second left hook, cosell remarks it's his best
punch so far.

Summary of the first minute. It's not even close to competive, Frazier landed two hooks and that's it, Foreman backed him up against the ropes and landed 3-4 meaningful punches and 3-4 jabs.

9:04 Foreman clearly lands with a right to the head. Foreman
throwing 4-5 punches, chopping punches the left clearly gets
in

9:10 Foreman's been throwing for the last 5-6 seconds, Frazier
hasn't thrown a punch since the left hook. Two lefts by
Foreman land to the body of Frazier

9:12 Foreman backs up a step, swings while Frazier is ducking, and
Cosell comments that this is not a rope a dope situation

9:13-16 Foreman throwing wildly, Frazier still hasn't throw a
punch in the last 19 seconds, not one.

9:19 Frazier lands another good left hook

9:22 Cosell states the obvious, which is that Foreman is steadily
the agressor. foreman continues to throw but is missing

9:37 Frazier throws a right that misses

9:43 Cosell says it's now a fight as Frazier works his way back to
the middle of the ring.

9:55 Foreman lands a jab to Frazier's head

10:00 Frazier throws a left, gets the crowed excited by Cosell
said that it never landed, which it didn't.

The second minute of the fight, was also Foreman's as two punches wasn't enough to win that stanza of the fight.

10:12 Foreman lands a left, misses a few punches while Cossell
is saying how crisp Foreman's punches are

10:20 Frazier throws two lefts, the first is blocked the second
gets through.

10:33 Frazier lands another left hook

10:35 Foreman lands a right and throws combinations which back
up Frazier to the ropes

10:52 Foreman punching away, dominating, is what Cosell says,
which is obvious

10:56 Foreman lands a good jab

last 1/3 of the round could go either way, but if the entire round is considered, Foreman wins it.

Bell rings.


Cosell says unofficial scoring around him has it 2 rounds for Foreman, none for Frazier.

As for round 4, I've said it was close, and if you think Frazier edged it, that's fine with me. But no way did Frazier win the 2nd round.

 

I read this and laughed my ass off. So let's be clear here, you've stated in this summary, that NOT ONE jab landed by Foreman in the second round. And that only two punches Foreman threw during that round landed, namely at 9:04 and at 10:14.

If that's your position this is a cake walk.

 

Thread.

Size give you strength benefits, but takes away boxing abilities.
Great for stamina and chin, but bad for boxing skills.

It's not about prime or shot, its about heavy or light.

 

"We must be watching different video's because the one I'm watching has 992,156 viewers, but more relevant is that the second round starts at 7:57[/QUOTE]


"Round starts roughly at 7:59"

7:57 is right.


"8:13 George taps/pushes him slightly with both arms, nothing
much happening before that."


"8:05-Foreman left hook clearly misses by a mile.
8:06-Jab comes up short
8:09-Jab is very clearly ducked"

-Foreman missing is what happened



"8:17 Foreman lands a jab followed by another one which misses"

"8:17-Double Jab. First touches Frazier, second misses. "

1/1



"8:21 Foreman throws an overhand right which is blocked by
Frazier"


"8:21- Right hand lead comes up short"

2/2


"8:40 Foreman throws 4 punches non of which land"

Sounds right.

3/3


"8:42 Foreman lands a right to the body, looks low."

"8:41-Sloppy uppercut kind of bounces off Frazier's outside leg (you counting that?)"

Eh...it hit his leg. It was very low, not a land to the body.

3/4



"8:47 Foreman backs Frazier into the ropes by throwing a couple of
jabs followed by a right upper cut, which you can actually hear
land"

"8:47-Frazier gets caught by a Foreman jab while clowning
8:48-Foreman pushes Frazier back with an outstretched glove and a right hand appears to be blocked (if it landed it wasn't very clean)"

More of a right hook than uppercut, I'll give it to you though.

4/5


"8:49 Foreman's got his arm over Frazier who is ducking, and lands
a big upper cut. He throwing jabs, while Frazier bobs and
weaves, "

"8:49-Uppercut misses...by a god damn mile, follow up sweep misses."

Absolutely absurd. It missed by a god damn mile. Not even close to landing, you might want to retract that. Embarrassing to think that landed.

4/6

"8:51 Foreman again jabs and throws an upper cut, both land backs
Frazier up to the ropes, "

"8:51-Foreman throws a combo but every punch misses, however it does force Frazier to back into the ropes. He clearly wasn't knocked there by punches though, man. They are big slow swings, and you can clearly see them coming up short. This isn't slow motion microscope work. "

Not really sure how you thought those landed.

4/7


"8:57 Frazier lands his second left hook, cosell remarks it's his best
punch so far."

"8:55-Frazier lands a very clean counter left hook that momentarily stuns Foreman and forces him to reset. Great Power Punch."


5/8


"9:04 Foreman clearly lands with a right to the head. Foreman
throwing 4-5 punches, chopping punches the left clearly gets
in "

"9:04-Foreman right hook lands "


6/9

Those left hands...man, he taps his arm once, and motions for a punch and doesn't follow through.

6/10


"9:10 Foreman's been throwing for the last 5-6 seconds, Frazier
hasn't thrown a punch since the left hook. Two lefts by
Foreman land to the body of Frazier"

"9:10-Foreman hit Frazier's guard a few times, looking for openings."

Kind of seeing the same thing.

7/11


"9:19 Frazier lands another good left hook"

"9:16-Frazier with a clean left hook"

8/12




"9:55 Foreman lands a jab to Frazier's head"


"9:54-Foreman jab lands/right swing misses"

09/13

"10:00 Frazier throws a left, gets the crowed excited by Cosell
said that it never landed, which it didn't."

"9:58-Frazier left hook glances, Foreman rolled with it"

10/14


"10:12 Foreman lands a left, misses a few punches while Cossell
is saying how crisp Foreman's punches are"

"10:14-Foreman hooks at Frazier's guard (possible one got the body)"

11/15


"10:20 Frazier throws two lefts, the first is blocked the second
gets through.

10:33 Frazier lands another left hook"


"10:18-Frazier hook lands behind the ear
10:19-Lunging jab hits Foreman's eye as tries to pull away"


12/16

"10:35 Foreman lands a right and throws combinations which back
up Frazier to the ropes"

"10:35-Foreman misses an arm wreary combo"

-Nothing landed. That right doesn't appear to score at all.

12/17

"10:48-Left Hook rocks Foreman back momentarily"

-You somehow missed this one.

12/18


"10:52 Foreman punching away, dominating, is what Cosell says,
which is obvious "

"10:52-appear to trade jabs"

They both get jabs in.

12/19


"10:56 Foreman lands a good jab"

I think our timing was off, the closing jab after the exchange. I agree.

13/20

 

This is officially a good thread.

 

atsch