What MW has the best chance at beating Dick Tiger in a brawl?

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  1. Thirdtonunn24

    Thirdtonunn24 Member Full Member

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    I’ve been reading a lot into Dick Tiger recently. And it seems like he was this unstoppable force of nature that you don’t want to brawl with. And that he just routinely out-muscles other quality brawlers. Other than that. Question.
     
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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    A brawl? Lausse maybe?

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  3. Tin_Ribs

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    I wouldn't favour anyone in an outright firefight with him - his mix of toughness, workrate, physical strength, hand speed, infighting nous and counter punching ability all as one entity hasn't really been equalled at the weight. Plenty of fighters bring some of the necessary traits but lack slightly in others imo

    I'd probably give Valdez the best chance, that would be a fight for the ages.
     
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  4. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not because he was a better brawler (he wasn’t), but just for his unique combination of traits, Monzon might win the overall fight with Tiger, surviving the brawl section - if it is only a section, mind.
     
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  5. he grant

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    Maybe GGG
     
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  6. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marvin Hagler, Jake LaMotta, Gennady Golovkin, and Nigel Benn might be the only guys that I think could out brawl Tiger but I’m really not certain.
     
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  7. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Rodrigo Valdes could bang, he stopped Bad Bennie Briscoe on May 25 1974 and became the first to deck King Carlos Monzon on July 30 1977 for a quick two count in round 2 with a nifty right hand, Carlos got up to decision Valdes in 15 rounds in his 14th and final title defense before announcing his retirement as champion on August 29 1977. According to Monzon in an interview in Ring Magazine, the knockdown by Valdes was the reason for his retirement at age 35. Valdes could have done the same to Dick Tiger although it would have turned out to be a rather competitive match early. But make no mistake about it, Tiger could also bang.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    All the right names have been mentioned.I'll add one more,Ketchel possibly?
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tiger is a bit of an anomaly power-wise. Terry Dowens described being hit by him like being hit by a bag of coal, but he didn't score that many knockouts. I think the problem was that people just knew they didn't belong in the pocket with him so they didn't allow themselves to get hit that much. Tiger's weakness was boxers but he turned a lot of very rugged men into sub-standard boxers who didn't have a hope in hell of beating him because they didn't want to fight him.

    His record against brawlers was absolutely outstanding. Florentino Fernandez the huge Cuban puncher tried it on against Tiger in 1962 and Jesus Christ did he get a shellacking.

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    Tiger went right for him and I think got hurt to the body in their very first exchange. Sometimes Tiger showed a slight inability to adapt, and perhaps his greatest weakness was he felt that if a fighter was "running away" from him, that fighter was losing. He complained endlessly after losing such a contest that there wouldn't have been a fight if it weren't for him and therefore how could he have lost it? A minor swarming adaption could have brought him even greater success. But in brawls he consistently read the messages brilliantly. Look at Tiger's guard for the rest of this fight - elbows tucked in, slightly low, over his front foot, coming in behind a punch, taking it close. It's a perfect designation for avoiding punishment to the body. (Dumphy's observation that Tiger has his "gloves up high" in commentary is not accurate - rather he has his chin down very low). Tiger crowds his man and it comes at the expense of getting hit with combos when he gets caught on his heels, but he leads with punches of phenomenal commitment; a great defence when undisturbed is married to surety in his ability to hold a punch when he is found while attacking.

    Tiger used solid boxing ability to force the brawlers hand and then consistently out-fought him. But key to his unbrawlability (now a word), is his phenomenal strength. Tiger looks like a modern-day steroid freak in his musculature but this was not for show, nor was it a numbing draw on his limitless stamina. His functional strength was off the charts; he once threw the strong Gene Fullmer straight to the canvas during a test of strength. Brawling Tiger was like fighting iron. While The Keed used his smarts, Tiger relied upon his enormous strength and durability to make himself the brawler's bane.

    Of course, Tiger was famously out-brawled - but dragging his 5'8 frame up to light-heavyweight to take on perhaps the deadliest puncher in the history of that division isn't relevant here. All these fighters could be out-brawled if we look at this example - Gavilan could be out-brawled by Hagler, and so on. Brawling outside your weight division is asking for trouble.

    At MW nobody could out-brawl him. All would fall. Bow down to the Tiger. Or to the Dick.
     
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    Hagler choose to box as he did vs Briscoe, Sibson and others .. Jake was cagey and slipped and countered . Benn had firepower but not the stamina .. again, the best to match in strength , chin and power and win to me was GGG
     
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  11. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Julian Jackson? His chin is not the greatest but his power is unquestionable and he was pretty strong.
    Hamsho- very rugged and a southpaw with a great chin.
    John Mugabi- pre Hagler. Very strong. Great punch and great chin.
    Frank Fletcher- while did not have power per say was very rugged with insane stamina and a granite chin.
    Also fought out of the southpaw stance.
    Juan Roldan- pretty strong and rugged with a pretty good punch.
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    With zero video evidence but a track record upon which to base it, I’ll go with Harry Greb.
     
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  13. Richard M Murrieta

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    Hey Cobra33, I thought that Frank "The Animal" Fletcher's smile was cool. Ha Ha.
     
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    Wasn't Nigel Benn losing badly to Gerald McClelland before the tragic stoppage?
     
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  15. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it was cool and had he had smarter management he could have landed a big money fight with Hagler.
    Fletcher and Curtis Parker had the worst management I have ever seen- especially Parker who just kept getting put into hard fight after hard fight.
     
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