What next for Fury after Usyk stops him?

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Active Member Full Member

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    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
     
  2. kdyehs

    kdyehs Member Full Member

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    Freshness, training, weight and shape is the matter of all professional fighters. But who can be the champion? What is in between the two ears that counts. So he has drinking issue, wrong gameplan (I don't buy the narrative that showboating is a strategy), looked very improvised and he complained that it felt so easy to fight Usyk that he could only find a way to lose. Usyk was hurt in that fight, that is another nonsense I read. So the rematch will be a game of adjustments. Fury I think proved in the past he does it well. I would probably not even bother watching it anyway. An olympic fighter against a gypsy clown. I will not pretend at the end of the day that I am rooting for any of these bad heavyweights.

    Usyk versus Andy Ruiz next !
     
  3. zwaargewicht

    zwaargewicht New Member banned Full Member

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    If you watched the fight and actually agree with that assessment from Fury, you simply don’t understand boxing. Even Shane Fury said he thought Usyk had won. Fury can talk all the nonsense he wants, it won’t change the fact that Usyk dominated him and Fury maybe won two rounds, maybe three if you are very generous and a fan of the guy.
     
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  4. kdyehs

    kdyehs Member Full Member

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    I watch the fight without sound and until the 8th round I have Usyk only winning clearly the second round. Some early rounds can go either way. And I have Fury starting to dominate Usyk in the 5th round after he switched southpaw and landed a combo to the body, after a jab-left hook preparation. That hurted Usyk and from there he started to fight hunched up, which allowed Fury to connect an uppercut in the 6th round and again in the 7th round. Usyk was hurt at least three times and was being dominated at that point. Then came the 8th round, Fury appears to be in slow motion mode and did weird stuff that barely makes sense from a fighting perspective I think he was trying to invent a new unorthodox way to box, and got caught by these shots to the head forcing the ref to give a standing count. Very possible that Fury underestimated Usyk at that point, and he paid the price. This explains his assessment that the fight was too easy hence why he lost. We gonna see (well, you gonna see) what happens in the rematch. I'll watch the highlights. Not going to waste more time with this.
     
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  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    For a man who usually makes decent posts, your post above is a candidate for worst ever post in the forum.


    Ok...I was forgetting about MW's "meaning of floored" post and one or two others, but your post is, IMO easily an all-time bottom ten effort.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's got 9 wins against 8 other titlists, and he's not done, yet. Throw in highly ranked contenders and 12 good ones overall.

    He will be in the same general area.
     
  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nope. Maidana outlanded him in 7.

    Nor do I agree Mayweather landed cleaner. There were rounds when Floyd looked terrified.
     
  8. gneall

    gneall Active Member Full Member

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    The difference being, they are most definitely things you can improve with effort. You cannot change height, reach etc. You can't hypothetically say "i wish mike tyson was 6'4 and had a better chin!" because that's clearly not realistic. It's very realistic to eat a bit better, focus up in the gym and get some muscle. It definitely can be inserted more easily after the fact..
     
  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    No it can’t be inserted easily inserted after the fact to suggest a fighter “would’ve” won a fight he lost IF only he had done this, that and the other before and during the fight.

    The prior fight(s) are the fact and they’re in the bag -

    The shop is shut for hypotheticals applied retroactively.

    The fighter can potentially insert said features into his training regime (IF they were actually even missing in the first place) and possibly see material improvements due to same in his next fight.

    At any rate, the disciplined applications we speak of are significant and uncommon qualities - qualities that make a fighter who he is, as much as any of his attributes otherwise.

    Or, conversely, such disciplines are reflective of who the fighter is in the first instance.

    Actually, bringing up Mike Tyson provides for an excellent example.

    Mike is THE poster boy for the woulda, shoulda, coulda perspective.

    Though he had a great career, Mike’s hypothesised “fantasy”’career is often so much more impressive than his actual career. Crazy.

    Imagining Mike with the sustained dedication, will and focus of say, an Ali or Marciano, is as much a fantasy as wishing that Mike was 3-4” taller.

    Such work ethic, will and determination were simply not part of Mike’s make up.

    Mike never had the inherent character qualities of Rocky or Muhammad - as borne out by his material career.

    As it pertains to the actual subject in question, Fury took his best conditioning and focus possible into the fight.

    Ever since the fight there’s a certain contingent of fans who have been progressively building the myth that there were whole lotta things Fury could’ve done better.

    If he coulda, he shoulda but he didn’t because he couldn’t.

    Whatever clowning he did do was meant to deflect and send an illusory message (ala Muhammad Ali) that he was having an easy time of it - he most certainly wasn’t.

    Bottom line, there was nothing he could’ve done otherwise in those so called clowning moments to enhance his performance.

    Suffice to say, Ali (who Fury often tries to emulate) clowned virtually every time Earnie Shavers landed an absolute bomb on his chin - but Ali couldn’t do anything otherwise to stop those bombs from landing.
     
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