What 'No Mas' didn't tell you

nes01 · Oct 20, 2013

Holy Grail said: ↑

your argument falls apart from the simple fact that Sugar Ray Leonard clearly said that he wanted to rematch Duran at the right strategic time when Duran was overweight and out of shape, and he had planned this all along. Leonard (many years later in interviews) said that he sought this edge and it was documented coming from his mouth.
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I disagree. Fighting is as much non-physical as it is physical. You have to be a strategist before the fight, as well as during the fight. Leonard out-smarted him before the fight, and during the fight. So he wins. Just as if a country invades another country when theyre least expecting it, it's just good strategy. A fight (or war) will never be 100% fair, nor should it be.

iceman71 · Oct 20, 2013

divac said: ↑

Dont know what the hell you're debating about when Leonard himself admits to hurrying up and getting the fight signed as soon as he could, knowing during that time that Duran had balooned up in weight and was still in party mode with the million he made fighting him.

It was a situation where Duran had allready gained weight and still had plenty of money in his pocket to party.

Leaonard himself has admitted it plenty of times, he made Duran an offer financially he could not refuse and he had to sign it now or the offer would be withdrawn.

I have no idea why Leonard would put it in those terms and admit to making that type of offer simply because they knew Duran was way out of shape. It certainly takes away from his victory by him saying that.

......and yes, Duran started training camp out of shape many times before the Leonard rematch, the difference is that he was'nt facing elite type opposition. He was'nt facing Leonard, Hagler, Hearns......he was'nt facing any top dog where he'd have to be an absolute supreme shape.

Duran never climbed a ring in better shape more than he was for that first Leonard fight.
Duran admits it in the 30:30, he hated Leonard with such a passion going into that fight that his mission was'nt to beat him but to break him in pieces.

Thats the type of hunger and hate Duran admits he had to beat Leonard that first time out and thats the type of training camp he put himself under for that fight, knowing that he wanted to destroy Leonard.

To think of beating a Leonard, you need to be in supreme shape. Cant go about it half ass and just get into appropriate shape.
Leonard certainly was in as good a shape for New Orleans that he was for Montrel. Duran simply was'nt.
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wah wah wahhhhhhhhhh :|

excuses atsch

divac · Oct 21, 2013

iceman71 said: ↑

wah wah wahhhhhhhhhh :|

excuses atsch
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You can atsch all you want, this is something Ray Leonard himself admits!
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vast · Oct 21, 2013

the referee would not let Duran fight inside the second fight. Duran was professional enough to give Leonard a rematch within 6 months-unheard of even back then. Leonard did not give him a rematch until he was well past it.

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