What numbers would Fury Wilder get?

both are complete unknowns here in the States. both have completely manufactured careers and resumes. lets not even bring up both guys ridiculously fragile mandibles. then bring in the fact Fury hasn't fought in years. ouch, has worst numbers ever written all over it. then again, both have huge mouths and the youth today only cares about loudmouth nobodies.

 

fury is just looking for another cash out fight, then years of drug abuse. bet your life.

 

This review truly shows how big of a phenom Mike Tyson was. Once in a lifetime cash cow until he fired Rooney and imploded.

 

I have no idea how this does on PPV in the States, I hear about the numbers he does on none PPV and im not sure if they are good or not, i know its not even close to superstar level. Im hearing it will be PPV in the UK but id be surprised if it is. Fury isnt massive over here and even if this is promoted very well in the UK i cant see it blowing up and selling big for a 4 in the morning fight.

Can somebody give any ideas of what is deemed good or bad numbers wise in the States? Normal or PPV.

 

In the US I think at best it will do between 300-400K. Fact is nobody has ever done more than 400K on their PPV debut. Not Mayweather, Pac or De La Hoya on their PPV debuts cracked 400K.

There's a danger it does far worse. Neither are proven draws in the US or the UK. Both talk a lot and get a lot of media attention of late but that doesn't always translate to bums on seats or views.

Will be interesting to see what the ticket pricing will be like, I assume it won't be as cheap as most of Wilder's fights. Even in his one previous Vegas fight vs Stiverne the ticket pricing was cheap and he couldn't sell, but he's a much bigger name now and he is fighting Fury so if they can charge more for tickets a Vegas gate can be very lucrative.

 

Prior to the Ortiz fight his usually did around 800K views or more on Showtime which is good, he was one of the top draws on Showtime for non PPV events. The 1.2 mill he got for Ortiz was very impressive, Showtimes highest numbers for a boxing card in years. It's safe to say he's the biggest non PPV draw on Showtime right now.

But that may not mean Wilder is a PPV star. Broner was regularly doing more than Wilder the last 2 years doing 800-900K views but he's no PPV draw.

Fury is a bigger name now than he was around the time of the Wlad fight. His period of inactivity helped build his fanbase to some degree, we saw that in the public workout for the Seferi fight, I've never seen a crowd like that for Fury. I think Fury has always been a great talker problem is his performances in the ring are not as thrilling as his talk and so being inactive helped, people have forgotten how boring or ordinary looking he is in the ring at times.

But you're right he is nowhere near the draw AJ or even Haye is. Haye/Bellew did 750K in the UK, I doubt a bigger fight like Wilder/Fury at 4am does anywhere near that.

 

Under 100k

 

It seems everybody is optimistic.
I don't think it will crack 300k.
GGG is more popular and he can't crack 150k on his first try.
My guess is between 200-300.
But hopefully it does well.
It is still between top 3 names in the heavyweight.

 

He fought Lemiuex on his first try not Fury, which could make a difference. But I suspect you're right 200-300K is more a likely number, maybe 350K at best and I would call that a success depending upon the fighters guarantees.

 

no way in heck it does more than 50,000.

 

Good post. Crawford did 965k vs Indongo but reportedly (no official figures released) less than 100k vs Postol on PPV. Kovalev/Hopkins did 1.4m but Ward/Kovalev 1 and 2 were 160k and 130k. Golovkin did 1.36m vs Vanes and 843k vs Brook (afternoon) but only 150k and 170k vs Lemieux and Jacobs.

Based on that PPV fighters roughly do 10% of their non-PPV numbers and the PPV tends to be a better opponent. This would also put Wilder in the 100-200k area with the right opponent. However, I'm not sure how well known Fury is in the US but I think when you factor in his huge mouth this will do 200-300k in the US, and similar in the UK considering it's a 4am job.

Disclaimer: All numbers from top 5 google results.

 

fury has been telecast in the States twice. no one knows nor cares.

 

As it's a debut PPV I'd say the price would be $50-60, so probably more like $20 M from ppv, $4-5 M from gate, and another $5 M from overseas TV (it would be UK ppv and do pretty well there too). So a total purse of about $30 M. All the overheads would come close to half, so I would expect final purses of $8 M each or so, although the guarantees will be much lower.

 

Definitely, anything above 200 is great. I don't mean it as a disrespect.

 

Errr, this is the problem, we just don't know what Wilder can generate with a PPV in the US and that's why there is such a problem with Wilder/AJ, they can't just completely guess and pay both fighters ridiculous amounts of money on just a hope of the fight sells really well.

They need some figures to work from for a calculated estimate in a fight of that size and money that large.

As for Fury Wilder, It also depends where it is, if it's in the US then it's going to be 4-5am UK time and that time of night never normally does huge numbers here so it would rely heavily on the US market.

Fury isn't a very big seller of tickets over here in the UK, I don't think he does very big TV numbers either so personally for both men it would probably be better if the fight was in the US and they take somewhat of a gamble.

You never know, Wilder might be a bit of a sleeping giant, he could well do amazing numbers, anything is possible, US boxing fans might really buy in to the fight, buy in to Fury and his crazy antics and really want to see the fight.


I believe this is why Team Wilder and Team Fury are signing confidentiality clauses, the guarantees will not be huge and it's not a great look considering Hearn offered a 15 million guaranteed flat fee, the purses will be probably be very dependent on the PPV numbers and that could go either way.


Anyway, after all that rambling, I'll go with between 300-500K.