What numbers would Fury Wilder get?

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How many us ppv buys would Fury Wilder get?

  1. 500k or more

    10 vote(s)
    18.9%
  2. Between 300k and 500k

    22 vote(s)
    41.5%
  3. Between 200k and 300k

    9 vote(s)
    17.0%
  4. Between 150k and 200k

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  5. Worst ppv buy rate ever for hws

    6 vote(s)
    11.3%
  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If a fight is expected below 500k, it's not PPV worthy in this day and age. Pulling mediocre PPV money is good for short term but hurts fighters and boxing in the long run, since it excludes the very masses boxing badly needs right now in the US.

    Wilder-Fury pulling 287K plus UK, int' money is kewl, but is little help at the AJ negotiating table. This fight CAN be marketed big, do a sellout in LV and bring in okay PPV numbers depending on the card, but it's NOT bringing casual fans to the telly, and you have to invest in that first, THEN go PPV.
     
  2. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Surely as much as a Femi ppv.
     
  3. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    Fact is plenty of people have done 400k in their debut PPV.

    Ffs some Irish chap did 2mill+ in his freaking debut fight!!!!!

    Pretty sure a ginger midget also did 2mill+ in his debut ppv fight too???

    Wilder vs Fury is a freaking absolute monster fight and can't be compared to Ward vs Kovalev.

    Heavyweight is a glamour division, Wilder is a modern day Mike Tyson, Fury is pretty much this generations Ali

    MayMac has just revived PPV
    MayPac nearly killed PPV

    Ward Kova was in between those era changing fights
     
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  4. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Ha3x a bit hyperbole don't you think. There's no way this fight do more than 400k
    Wilder is a nobody in the States, fury is a nobody in the states.
    Nobody outside of hardcore fans know these 2
     
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  5. Felix Sanchez

    Felix Sanchez Active Member Full Member

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    I don't understand why this is being talked about for the US, it should be a UK fight.
     
  6. Patter983

    Patter983 Active Member Full Member

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    furys last fight did big numbers on BT sport. So I think with the right promotion it will do very well over here on ppv. Boxing is on a high and the casuals are lapping it up. I see this doing very big numbers on BT PPV.
     
  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Bomber means no one ever did over 400k when BOTH fighters were in their ppv debut. I do think this match will do good all things considered for some of the reasons you mention. But I can't see over 500
     
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  8. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vegas I assume.
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Throw in several million from Vegas for a site fee. I think the guarantees will be closer to 7.5 with percentage upside of everything over $30M from tix/ppv/tv rights fees.
     
  10. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I think Kiwi has the measure of it; 300k would be considered a success. I could see 200k getting the job done as well though. Ppv debuts are usually below 200k. But let's say 300k. That would check all thetboxes that Wilder or Fury would be looking to check. It would A ensure a purse over half as big as the one they could have gotten from AJ B get their ppv debut out of the way, paving the way for a bigger US ppv against AJ. It wouldn't be as lucrative as a UK fight, but it would make it close enough for: C Since aj would still want to fight in the UK, because he could still make make more money and because of home field advantage, it would put pressure on him to have to accept a 50/50 split in order to have the fight in the UK.
    So, from a leverage perspective, if it does Ward Kovalev numbers, it's not going to move the needle too much in negotiations with AJ. The better it does, the more it moves that needle by making the US a realistic home for the winner to fight AJ.
     
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  11. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Thats not how the ppv market works. You have to break someone in to us ppv. No one does great right off the start. 300k would be a big success for these fighters, toward the high end of two debut performances, and it would pave the way for a much bigger ppv against AJ.

    That's what this is really about. If all goes well, the winner gets a nice purse, but more importantly sets themselves up for a 50/50 split with aj, by agreeing to fight in the UK. Right now AJ can dismiss the us as an option because the money is in ppv and both are unproven on us ppv. And he holds all the cards for the UK. So if the winner of this fight shows they can make money in the us, suddenly they have leverage that AJ doesn't. And they can use it in order to get a 50/50 purse so AJ can fight where he is more comfortable.
     
  12. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    High risk high reward. They could probably get more money in the UK, but if they do well it will be close, and it will open up the us as a lucrative market to the winner. Most importantly, they can never really hope to match ajs drawing power in the UK, but this would put them a big step ahead of him in the us, and it would give them a big negotiating stick to demand 50/50 from AJ for a UK fight.

    Of course that is if a. It does reasonably well and b. For the winner. The loser will have to just go get an organizations mandatory slot to face AJ. But honestly, the 25% they get from that won't be too much less than what AJ is offering now.
     
  13. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    This won't be a PPV in the UK, nobody will buy it at 4am.
     
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  14. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, however usually guarantees are very low, e.g.

    Canelo $5 million
    GGG $3 million

    GGG $2.5 million
    Jacobs $1.75 million

    Canelo $3.5 million
    Khan $2 million

    etc.

    So probably something like $2-3 million guarantees with upside taking the total to $7-8 million or so.
     
  15. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    UK folk are surprisingly willing to buy PPV at unearthly hours, e.g.: MayPac and MayMcG did over 800k buys each regardless, May-Hatton was over 1.1M, Khan-Maidana was 164k ... all at 3-4am UK time. I guess Wilder - Fury can still break 200k UK ppvs at 4am.
     
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