What past HW would be the best Modern Cruiserweight

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Body composition hasn’t got much to do with weight cutting anymore. He could make Cruiser, it’d be a tougher cut though.

 

Something to keep in mind, Joe Frazier actually trained up in weight at one point.

 

You are correct he could make it.
But body composition does make a difference in how har cutting is.
First off, of course if you have excess fat that can be cut in longer than an ~ 24 hour drain.
But muscle has much more water-so if we compare Tyson to say I dunno Larry Bird or Magic Johnson, each 6'9" & 220 lbs. in their prime, although they are at the upper end of Tyson's narrow prime weight range, they would likely have a tougher time because they have less muscle, more of their weight-even if they have the same body fat-are relative irreducibles such as bone & organs, since they are so much longer.

 

Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey and Marciano are three immediate picks. Conjure all the weight making scenarios you like, these guys liked to fight and could fight.

 

Floyd Patterson

 

Frazier at CW would be a big problem for many years. He would destroy a lot of guys. Frazier could skip a couple meals, up the cardio for a few days and would make 200lb. He was never the most ripped. Also I firmly believe he was natural even though they had that tech dating back to the early 20th century and commonly in the 1950s-1960s. No telling what he could have done with some sauce and a modern diet. Guy would have conquered the multiverse.

 

Do you think he would cut down to CW? I can see Foreman blowing up to his older self in today's era.

 

I don't think he could make it, not even when young.

Also, why are you giving old George's chin to young George? The great chin didn't show up until he was old and fat, for whatever reason.

 

Frazier could make 200 just via leaning out.

 

You misunderstand some basic matters of physiology Mr. MM.

1) I have been saying on this forum forever that Tyson was large early, when poor & before he was boxing, & given his genetics & what you can read about maximum natural muscular potential, there was no cause to assume he used PEDs. In part I was explicit in saying that he has a large bone structure.

2) Anyone can "thin out" by losing a lot of muscle-you must have meant that he cannot get to or under 200 lbs. without sacrificing this, & strength.

3) At his prime bodyfat, likely a little over 10%, while he could have lost ~ 10-15 lbs. of fat & be near what a bodybuilder's level would be onstage, that would not get him there.

4) But what you keep failing to comprehend is he would need to lose NO BF at all.
He could, but just doing most of what a competitive bodybuilder OR real wrestler OR what all divisions in boxing except the no-limit HWs have done since the 1980's:

Shed up to (occasionally over) 10% of their bodyweight for the DAY BEFORE weigh ins & then rehydrate back up to their normal weights!

Did you not know that people like Usyk to the smaller divisions have done that for years & years & years?
That Usyk did not gain much muscle when weighing 221 or so his last couple of fights:
mainly he did not need to drain & rehydrate!

5) If you have more muscle for your weight, it is EASIER to do this.
Because muscle unlike bone or even fat is MOSTLY water.
So Tyson at a prime 214-221 would need to shed less than 10% of his bodyweight in water, then put it back on.

Or he could lose a few lbs. of fat & do less de/rehydrating.

But do you finally understand how someone that size-& some CWs TODAY-can & do this without sacrificing strength or muscle?

 

There are cruisers today bigger then Foreman. Mm.