What pathetic controversy will Floyd use to sell the rematch?

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd is one of the most powerful and influential figures in boxing, and has ties to Ellerbe and Haymon, who are also two of the most powerful figures in the sport. You're naive if you think he won't pick out a ref that will favor him.
     
  2. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's against the rules. I'm sorry, but I can't simply accept something as fact without any sort of proof. If he can pick out refs that favor him, then why the hell did Tony Weeks allow Maidana to commit just about every foul in the book without as much as a hard warning?
     
  3. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Once again, you show how naive you are.

    People and organizations break the rules in sports all the time.
     
  4. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's a big difference between naivity and logical arguments. If I came out here and said there's no way that any sort of corruption occurs in boxing; that's naivity.

    However, I'm saying a fighter picking out the ref is against the rules. I'm also saying that there is no proof that Mayweather picks out the ref. Given that it's against the rules for a fighter pick out the ref, and given that there is no proof that Mayweather is breaking the rules in this regard, I can not assume that Mayweather picks out the ref in his fights.

    That my friend is what you call, a logical argument.
     
  5. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Isn't Floyd actually QUOTED as saying steps would be taken to ensure Maidana's dirty fighting wouldn't be allowed next time around? I'm pretty sure he's on record as saying that in a post-fight interview.
     
  6. Stylez G.

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    I don't know what he said, or what he would've meant by that. But even if he said that, that's not proof that he's picking out the referee.
     
  7. progamer

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    he just disallowed gloves approved by the commission infront of the public you ****ing idiot.

    how can he not have a ref of his choosing behind the scene?



    he is more likely to have a ref of his choice or a ref that will follow his thought process on how the fight will be refereed than not a have a say on it.
     
  8. VG_Addict

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    He made Maidana wear special gloves. He fought Canelo at a catchweight even though there was no reason to, since he fought at the weight before that.

    And it wouldn't be the first time a ref was biased towards Floyd. Remember Joe Cortez in the Hatton fight?
     
  9. Stylez G.

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    Ironically, you're doing nothing but displaying your lack of comprehension skills here. Figthers are able to stipulate the brand and/or model of gloves used. Fighters are not allowed to pick out the referee.

    That's against the rules. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. However, you cannot operate on the assumption that it does happen without proof.


    Again, this is just an assumption on your end. Surely you do recognize that you're simply spouting off your opinion; an opinion that is not rooted in a strong basis of fact.
     
  10. VG_Addict

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    I'm sure you could find cases of Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, handpicking a ref with a little bit of research.
     
  11. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Froch vs Groves rematch:

    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/05/groves-trainer-wants-to-stop-froch-from-throwing-rabbit-punches/

    "Froch’s management reportedly said no to IBF offering American referee Jack Reiss to work the fight. Reiss is a known as a tough referee that doesn’t allow fouling. He would have likely have put a stop to any fouling from either fighter right away once it first occurred."

    If you think fights are being made without certain teams having a say over which refs are chosen, you are completely naive.
     
  12. Stylez G.

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    Special gloves? It was a different model of the same brand of gloves that Maidana always uses; a model that many other boxers use.


    What does that have to do with the argument at hand? Catchweights have been a part of the sport since its inception. There is nothing in the rule books that prevent a fight from taking place at a contract weight. There are guidelines that prevent a fighter from picking out the referee in Vegas.

    Do you remember Tony Weeks, in the Maidana fight that just happened a couple of months ago? You can always find examples of what is believed to be bias towards or against a fighter. However, that in itself is not proof that the ref is being handpicked by the fighter. This isn't rocket science here guys.
     
  13. VG_Addict

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    The point was that Floyd has bent the rules to be in his favor in the past.

    He had already fought at JMW twice before the Canelo fight, so we can assume that he'd be able to make the weight again. There was no reason for him to make Canelo fight at 152.
     
  14. Stylez G.

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    First off, there is big difference between objecting a referee and picking the referee. The argument is to whether or not Mayweather picks the ref. Second, you're refering to fight in a different jurisdiction. I'm not sure about a fighter's ability to object to a refereee in Vegas, but I do know they are not allowed to pick the ref.
     
  15. Stylez G.

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    How is he bending the rules when there is no rule agaisnt CW fights, and when it's something that has been openly done for over 100 years?

    Again, this has nothing to do with the argument. Again, we're arguing if there is any proof that Mayweather secretly breaks the rules to pick out his own ref. Fighting Alvarez at a CW of 152 lbs. in no way, shape, or form proves your claim that Mayweather is picking out the ref. Again, fighting at a CW is perfectly legal.