What people don't realize about Sugar Ray Leonard's Greatness is...

Yeah well MacDonalds is concidered a resturant, but I doubt hot bitches will give you mouth party for a happy meal.

 

MAB a former BW lost to a hard hitting LWW , SSM lost to a power punching P4P no 1.

Ray a WW champ and former MW champ got KO'D vs a past prime, old, light hitting former FW.

 

I'm not trying to get into an argument here,but are you really suggesting Ray's loss to Camacho should be given any serious consideration when assessing his overall career?

 

And the reason I used those examples is because they fall into the precise category that Ray's loss to Camacho does;Utterly meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

 

:huh

 

All bouts count , some of coarse more than others.

Ray was a great great boxer in his prime but that sort of loss still gets held against him,

An much older, much more ship worn Duran showed how good he was vs The Macho Man. The Barkley, Moore, Hagler, Macho Man etc... bouts show how good a boxer, esp' defeanive boxer Duran was , as in his prime he was only thought of as an attacking machine as was like a little pitbull, when he lost his speed and reflexes he had a lot of other skills to still be compeditive and showed that he had a lot of sutule skills that do not show themselves to readily in their prime.

 

Floyd came out of retirement to face the p4p no 2 = MacDonalds being is concidered a resturant

 

Only person I've heard make such a ludicrous claim was Floyd Mayweather Jr in an interview trying degrade Leonard's legacy for his losses to prop up his own, and he's a straight hater of Ray Leonard who destroyed his dad, and even abused him to his face one time he met Ray at a function.

 

Don't feel too bad about it. As a Tyson nuthugger, I thought his brief success in his post-prison career was just the greatest thing ever because I got to experience it first hand. Although I probably came to realize much sooner that the one before it took a wildly massive dump on it.

Keep your memories, for sure. I actually really enjoyed the Lalonde fight personally. But Ray was pulling all kinds of ass backwards **** with stipulations, catch weights, gifted draws, a terrible third fight with Duran that was booed, humiliating defeats Norris and Camacho.. The 1982 angle (plus Hagler) is probably for the best. :deal

 

Sure he was...:roll:

 

He most likely would've still eaten alot. But that seems to be the reason as to why Leonard wanted the quick rematch instead of fighting someone else beforehand.

Maybe it would be different had he actually gave Hearns a rematch earlier. But he didn't did he?

 

Mind games in the ring is one thing, playing with somebodies head by pissing them off for years by ducking them is another.

Ray should get all the credit in the world for beating the guys he beat. But he isn't above criticism for his actions post-1st retirement.

 

I can agree with this. One thing that can be said for Leonard in which he looks good is that we criticize him for rematches or a lack thereof, while getting the best of the current generation into the ring the First Time is a massive struggle. The guy still had to get in there and did perform, at least.

 

I agree.

I just think it looks bad with him not giving those rematches then.

And also, i'm not saying he'd lose them all had he fought them earlier.

I think he would've probably won a third fight with Duran no matter when he fought him because Duran just wasn't gonna be motivated no matter what.

Duran had already did what he wanted to, to Leonard in the first fight, and the motivation to do it again would've probably never been there.

Hearns is the rematch that should've happened during his retirement.

 

Hearns at 154 would've been a surreal task. I would've tucked my tail between my legs and ran in the opposite direction. Not saying Leonard did necessarily, of course. Hindsight is always 20/20. If Leonard had fought and actually beat him there, Hearns probably wouldn't be regarded as the perrenial beast he is today at the weight. Sort of the same thing with 1982 Hagler. How would he be regarded had he lost to a Leonard that still had a natural welter's frame (he grew a bit from natural progression by '87)? People would question his Top 5 Middleweight status. We only know him as the guy who had a vice grip from '80-86 and stopped all of his title challengers with the exception of Duran (and SRL at the end of course).