What percentage of title fights...

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    ...would you guess have been fixed? Just give a rough approximation.
     
  2. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Less than 1 % i reckon......but we will never know how many were fixed....
    Clay- Liston 2 was a fix for sure though....
     
  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pure speculation, the amount of proven fixes are miniscule.

    Proven fixes in the last 50 years or so boil down to Pep/Perez, probably Everett/Escalera and maybe Whitaker/RamirezI and Coggi/GonzalesI in big fights.
     
  4. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    whitaker-Ramirez a fix ? i thought that Whitaker won it ...so do you think that the Judges were corrupt ? I could agree with that...
     
  5. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I said maybe... because it was more than just a poor decision against Whitaker.
     
  6. duran77

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    Did'nt Lamotta admit he threw a fight in order to get a shot at the title.
     
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  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes against Nardico, it was not that big a fight, hence the reason LaMotta probbaly needed the money for the dive!
     
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  8. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    no that was when he was old and his corner just thought he couldnt win it.

    it was billy fox who was a protected light heavy fighting guys with big but useless records.

    the poeple he was with knew that jake was in thier pockets and that lamotta was a dangerous figure and if billy beat him it would be a great career piece...they made him throw the fight gave fox a title shot and made him look easier to beat....in a way it was helpful for both fighters that jake threw the fight.
     
  9. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good Thanks for the correction
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The Billy Fox dive is the only fight that's been proven a fix by testimony.

    I'd say that judges fixing fights is a little different from fighters fixing fights and I'd guess that the later is probably pretty rare, certainly in title fights
     
  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Willie Pep/Lulu Perez as well, Pep was banned freom ever fighting in NYC after that fight.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Is that right? I did not know that!

    Do you know what testimony exists, who took it etc., of the top of your head?
     
  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I suspect that before ~1920, many of them were fixed. Boxing was just getting out from underground and shady characters were running everything in broad daylight -at least until the cops kicked the doors in to the warehouse. Perhaps 5-10% were not completely on the level.

    After it got more organized and the modern era was ushered in but before Valachi turned and blew the cover of La Cosa Nostra, Blinky Palermo and co. weren't quite running things in broad daylight, but their presence was known and felt by everyone. They were strong in the shadows and behind straw men. I'd hazard that 1-3% of title fights were tainted.

    Since then, I think that fixes are happenstance and analomous. Too much risk of exposure. In '93, Ray Mercer tried to bribe his way to a win over Ferguson during the bout and suddenly he was in the New York Times. Overall, another factor may be better purses... the temptation is less.
     
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  14. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That the first meeting between Flynn and Dempsey was also fixed was confirmed by testimony at Dempsey's 1920 draft evasion trial, but neither Fox/LaMotta, or Flynn/Dempsey were for a title.
    I've watched Lulu Perez/Willie Pep a number of times, and buying that match as being on the level is a lot for me to swallow. Once again though, that was not a title match.
     
  15. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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