What poor crop of HOF inductees

This is BS, he beat all the belt holders at featherweight, ex feather champs and other top champions from 122 and 118 all in the space of a few years. Only Vasquez was significantly past prime.

 

There just aren't many outstanding HOF candidates at the moment, so you end up with guys who are well known but no more than arguable.

At least they didn't let Joey Barnum in.

 

To put it mildly, I don't think much of the 2015 International Boxing Hall of Fame class as a whole.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Agreed...most hard-core British boxing fans of my acquaintance couldn't stand him...no class. The borderline boxing fans were only attracted to him because of the flash, hype, trash-talk & bull**** - and they wouldn't likely know a left hook from a boat hook.

 

Ok he deserves the Hall who gives a damn. He fought **** belt holders though. Paper champs and everage plodders that were chosen for him to look good against he also defended against plods until Kev Kel showed how to tag him . We seen what happened when Naz faced true elite guy's and an ATG. He's lucky he didnt face Marquez or Morales and even an old Tapia who still had the chin and skills to trouble Naz.
Look, Naz as a boxer is overrated. He had basically no fundimental, technical training, or ring smarts. He relied on his freak punching angles and strange reflexes. His style is a counter punchers dream.
He was one dangerious mofo though and could KO anybody at his weight imo.

 

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcD-WVZpyQ

we get it, you don't like Hamed hence why your pulling off names off the top of your head.

You missed out Freddie Norwood, i guess hr would have beat Hamed too:roll:

 

Selling tickets, exciting fights, entertaining the fans should be factors that can help get a fighter in the Hall of Fame.
It's not just a case of "who were the most able boxers ?"
It has to be a bit about contribution to the sport and popularity too.
Fights are entertainment.

 

exactly, its the hall of fame, not the hall of achievements!

 

You've looking in hindsight and not at how it was at the time. Those opponents are better than you give them credit for. Bungu was a 7year champion and more proven champ 122 than Barrera/Morales. Tom Johnson had something 12 defences of his IBF title and was a fluid boxer mover. McColough was a bantam champ and deserved to be super bantam champ. Vasquez was 3 weight champ. Either Soto or Vasquez was lineal champ from memory, I think Vasquez, Soto had the WBC belt and had beat future lightweight champ Castillo. Medina was a 5 or 6 time champion and certainly not a plodder. WHO champ Robinson had 7 defences, including a 3 weight champ in McKenzie and ex champ in McMillan.

Now you'll probably say 'so what those fighters aren't the greatest competition of all time', which is true. But plenty of great HOF fighters didn't face amazing competition either and you can rip anyone's comp down pretty easily.

Barrera-Hamed was due to happen early too but he lost to Jones, Jones was supposed to fight Hamed so fought Mkkinney on Hamed's undercard but lost (great fight if you haven't seen it).

Morales and Marquez were both offered paydays against Hamed but turned them down. If you think they beat him fine but they didn't take the fight at the time. I think Hamed certainly beats the very hittable slower Morales though. Saying Tapia would beat them is silly if you saw their respective fights with Medina. Hamed's resume when he faced Barrera was much better than Morales/Marquez/Barrera at the time. There was good reason he had a higher P4P rating than those men at that time.

Generally people let their dislike for Hamed, colour their opinion of him.

 

It's worth remembering that it's called the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of The Absolute Best H2H Boxers the World's Ever Seen.

Selling tickets, delivering ratings, and/or having a social impact makes a difference, rightly or wrongly.

 

I never once said I never liked Naz as a fighter. He was one of many that made me watch the sport. I always's thought he was overrated though.

 

I don't care about politics. It's nothing to do with the fighters mostly.

I liked watching Naz ffs atsch I just think he had flaws and would get exposed (as he did vs the very good fighters he did fight) most the greats of his era he never fought would see those flaws too. Even more average world class guy's gave Naz hell. WM gave him fits and so did Ingle until that brutal short ko punch had him beat. I thought Ingle was going to win for a while. Ingle would toil to beat prime Scott Harrison imo. Steve J was shot and quite a **** champ tbh.

No they were mostly not good op. Naz fought a lot of slow **** plodders and that is fact. Once he started stepping up in class you could see he was not that good. His reflexes were clumsy at the top level and the way KJ timed him was pure class. Naz just had the power to spark anybody, he was a freak with weird punching angles.

Morales would ware him down on his best night but yes Naz could KO him but Morales would not fight like an idiot. Your talking an ATG here who took on everybody.

Marquez was a superb counter puncher which is all wrong for Naz and we must remember how much better Marquez was as a mover back then. Almost a totally different fighter. Naz could put him down but Marquez thrived on being hurt. Naz would have to money shot JMM to beat him.

Tapia was maybe a bit old at the time they were going to maybe fight and was the smaller man but my **** he was tough and super skilled. Watch his highlights he was amazing. He put his chin out vs the younger MAB so MAB could hit him Watch it, its gold :good I don't think doing that vs Naz would be a great idea though

 

it's been long overdue for Naz being put in. the other two though, shouldn't have got a sniff of entering. ridiculous.

i love the way people are complaining about Naz being in there, but not too many people have a problem about the other two nobodies. good fighters is all they were, that's it. Naz was a great fighter. Featherweight Champ for 5 years, with him having 17 fights in that time and winning 16 of them. anyone disputing his place needs to go and watch Golf or some **** like that, because Boxing is clearly lost on these parasites.

Benn should have been included years back also, but no, nothing. i guess there are too many two-bit overrated Americans who haven't done **** in their careers to choose from. genuinely great fighters get over-looked in favour of nobodies when you look at it.

i guess Americans love their two-bit guys with thin resumes??

 

I'm no huge fan of the Hall as most non arm chair fans are but Naz before Benn is comedy gold. I bet they put Mickey Rourke in before Benn

 

Well Chuck, i go beyond agreeing with you, the 15 class is well pretty much WEAKER than Sh!t, the strongest man to make a case for is Mancini, and to me he's 50-50 on the fence, he squeaks in by the skin of his teeth because of his personality, and he fought in a tough era when Champions fought 15 rounds, and not this 12 sissy sh!t...

Hell in a few years another Ohioian will probably get in, Kelly Pavlik...