What really is a "lineal" champion???

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  1. Ricdog

    Ricdog Active Member Full Member

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    I hear the term used often, but can't really find too much info on it. Is "lineal" champion an officially recognized title by organizations or is it just a made up fan term used to describe who they think is a best champ?

    I've heard some people argue about what exactly it means, what do you guys make of it?
     
  2. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's the man who beat the man who beat the man.

    Hopkins unified middleweight.
    Taylor beat Hopkins
    Pavlik beat Taylor
    Martinez beat Pavlik
    Cotto beat Martinez

    Cotto is currently the lineal middleweight champion.
     
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  3. Super_Fly_Sam

    Super_Fly_Sam Aus Boxer Full Member

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    Lineal champ is the man who beat the man, who beat the man, who beat the man.. etc....

    I don't think it's officially recognized but for example it would be like,

    at the start of 2005 Bernard Hopkins was universally recognized as THE real middleweight champ --> Jermain Taylor beat him --> Kelly Pavklik beat Jermain --> Sergio Martinez beat him (at middleweight for the titles) --> Miguel Cotto beat Sergio

    see the lineal connection?
     
  4. Super_Fly_Sam

    Super_Fly_Sam Aus Boxer Full Member

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    ahh i got in to slow...

    What Dan says!
     
  5. QuadrupleG

    QuadrupleG MAZAFAKA Full Member

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    So, lineage starts with an undisputed champion. What happens when there is an undisputed champion along with a lineal one ?
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So in layman's terms, it's Ric Flair.

    Wooooo!!!!!
     
  7. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    And if Cotto/Canelo gets stripped, what happens to middleweight lineage? Are they still "the man"?
     
  8. Super_Fly_Sam

    Super_Fly_Sam Aus Boxer Full Member

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    I dont really know for sure. :huh

    but being undisputed champ is a safe measure for being 'The Man'

    again with the middleweights... you could say Golovkin is the undisputed champ as he's pretty much recognised of being the divisions king. But as stated above Cotto is lineal champ....

    :think good question
     
  9. Super_Fly_Sam

    Super_Fly_Sam Aus Boxer Full Member

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    I dont think so...

    If they get stripped I expect GGG to pick up the WBC belt and start his own lineage
     
  10. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I agree, that's how it should be. If you don't hold any belts, the lineage is restarted.
     
  11. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If The Cotto/Canelo winner get stripped/vacate, the Lineal Title would be vacated as well.

    A fight vs #1-2 or a new Undisputed Champ would have to be crowned to create a new lineage.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Neither. It denotes whoever currently holds the lineage of championship (who beat who in an unbroken chain barring vacancies/stripping/retirement/death), mostly useful for historians but also embraced by fans when discussing who 'the man' in a division is.
     
  13. Ricdog

    Ricdog Active Member Full Member

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    OK, but this is now where I start to get confused. So the lineal champion "beat the man...to become the man", BUT they don't always follow.

    Right now Adonis Stevenson is said to be the lineal champ at light heavy, yet Kovalev is cleary "the man" of the divison. Same with Cotto vs Golovkin in Middleweight. But then if the lineal champion loses the title of "the man" without actually losing a fight, then doesn't the "lineal" term becoming meaningless?
     
  14. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    By that logic Martinez was no longer lineal middleweight champion when the WBC stripped him to give Chavez Jr a belt.
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    They are two separate things. In a perfect world aligned, but not always the case.