What relevance does it have that Pov's PED was not banned in 2015?

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  1. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When he took it this year? There were multiple drugs tests prior to the one he failed and he passed them in 2016. At some point he gets busted for it which means that he chose to juice with a substance he knew was banned. The fact that it wasn't banned before has no bearing on this whatsoever. If you feel like that particular PED doesn't deserve to be banned - whatever, talk to the officials, talk to WADA or whatever. But if you sign a fight you submit to playing by their rules and Povetkin consciously chose not to because he is a cheat. Nothing else to it honestly. People who defend drug cheats in a collision sport have an agenda and nothing else. There is no excuse for that **** at all.
     
  2. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can you provide a link to those experts?
     
  3. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch

    Armstrong anyone?
     
  5. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did not get jacked for Meldonium? What are you even on about?
     
  6. galtone

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    Povetkin may well be on any number of steroids, and from the change in his shape over recent year my guess would be that he is. But that's only a guess, and he's never tested positive for them so he's innocent.

    The innocuous substance they found in his system in quantities almost too tiny to measure is most likely left over from several months ago...when it was completely legal. More recent use would result in much higher readings than his recent test showed.

    So though he MAY be guilty of a different offence, but simply not been caught (like hundreds of other boxers) on THIS charge he is very likely innocent
     
  7. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The amount found was so low he couldn't have possibly taken it this year and have such low levels. That's the relevance
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rarely do PED cheaters test for remarkably high levels.

    There are masking agents and flushing and microdosing, all of which could lead to low levels being detected if the banned substance wasn't completely/properly masked/flushed in time for the test.

    I've seen a lot of speculation that he passed the three tests (before failing) because, well, it was in his fat cells and didn't get released until he started training harder (which would mean he didn't train hard until like a month before the fight), but I haven't seen any evidence that (a) meldonium stores in fat cells, (b) that there has ever been a case of it not being detected in three tests and then showing up on a fourth without recent usage. It's all concocted as a "plausible" explanation of how he didn't cheat, and doesn't have any basis in evidence or fact.

    The fact is, he was clean three times, THEN was dirty. That's indicative of recent usage past the Jan. 1 ban date.
     
  9. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's not a tiny amount. And it wasn't left over in his system.
     
  10. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    This answer should be cut and paste in every tread about this.
     
  11. BCS8

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    You're right. "Tiny" is too big. Nanoscopic amount is more correct.

    That's a matter for debate. Unless your name is Povetkin, that is.
     
  12. Gollywog

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    The fact is you're wrong, and this is a **** thread. Even WADA say they have no idea how long it stay in the system. Are they experts enough for you? Idiot.
     
  13. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the last time he took the drug was last year and that's the only reason trace elements are still seen up until now, he's still 100% at fault.

    In January, all prize fighters received the memo/briefing on the banned substance list. Him and his team surely knew Meldonium was on the list. It was up to him and his handlers to do the right thing and wait until it was completely out of his system before signing on the dotted line for another prizefight. He should've had his team test him on a weekly basis until it was completely out of his system before signing up to fight WIlder.

    I'm still very skeptical as to the last time he actually took the drug, but if what he says is true and he hasn't used it at all throughout 2016, he's still completely at fault. Him and his team should've done their due diligence to ensure it was completely out of his system before signing up to fight again.
     
  14. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
  15. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Meldonium doesn't jack you up though :lol: It is like a poor mans version of EPO and caffeine.