What round would GGG have stopped Floyd in?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he’d have fought more defensively, he could have survived longer. But he wouldn’t have banked more rounds, because he wouldn’t have been as offensive.

    Being defensive doesn’t bank you the rounds.

    He didn’t really fight an unintelligent fight. He used his speed and his power to score points and to try and deter GGG from pouring forward. He thought that he could back him up and accumulate enough points to win. But GGG was just too strong for him. If he’d have fought more cautiously, he wouldn’t have gotten hurt, but he’d have had practically no chance of winning the fight. So he deserves huge credit.

    It’s not a myth at all that Canelo stood off of him. There were times when Floyd was in the corners, and Canelo wouldn’t press him like Oscar and Maidana did.

    Yeah, if you’re talking about the weight cut affecting GGG then that changes everything. Because if GGG was tired and not fighting him aggressively and backing him up, then Floyd would have been confident in letting his hands go. But if he hadn’t have been compromised at all by the weight loss, where he’d have had great stamina, then Floyd would obviously have been very cautious.

    You’ve just said yourself that Floyd wasn’t confident in making the fight. Well exactly. It speaks volumes.

    It was there to be made, but he didn’t want it.

    So this is just a complete fantasy. But if he had’ve taken it, then it’s obvious that Floyd would not have been very aggressive or offensive.

    GGG would have been the overwhelming favourite, due to match being comprised of:

    A faded Floyd with zero power, vs a power punching, pressure fighting MW.

    It’s not about who the better fighter was, only how they’d have matched up on the night stylistically.

    Floyd didn’t have the tools to beat elite level MW’s.

    There’s a reason why he retired on Berto and an MMA fighter, and why that he only fought above WW on just 3 occasions during his entire career.
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Am I the only one who remains completely unconvinced that GGG could have been effective at 154 (or lower) at any point around 2015/16?
     
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  3. steviebruno

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    The same people that are just assuming that GGG would be unaffected by dropping 6lbs will tell you that Floyd drained Canelo by making him drop 2lbs...
     
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  4. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd would not have dared for such greatness
     
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  5. Jacques81

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    He would run around the ring and probably avoid being KOd but lose a lopsided decision(if he had dared for greatness(
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah.

    He’d have been backed up and put into survival mode. And you can’t win a fight in survival mode, because you can’t accumulate enough points due to having only a very limited offence.
     
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  7. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes it is
     
  8. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    3rd or 4th
     
  9. bjl12

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    What? Maidana, a blown up JWW, gave Floyd all he could handle. Yes, that was a post-prime Floyd but Maidana was never some ATG pressure fighter.

    GGG was much larger than Maidana, a FAR superior boxer, an arguably ATG jab, a respectable defense, and an expert at cutting off the ring. GGG brutally stops Floyd. Imagine the Mosley round 2 sequence happening an additional 2-3 rounds before Sr waves the towel. Floyd would never quit because he was a beast, but he would be stopped. Weight classes are real...

    Now the above only happens because GGG is larger. In a P4P sense, if both guys were the same size, Floyd razzles and dazzles en route to a UD where GGG has success in spots.
     
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  10. Serge

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    Here's GGG weighing in at a trim 159 in 2016, Rummy, looking the picture of health. Clenelo weighed more than GGG and was coming in as high as 172 and 174 at 154 way back in 2013 and 2014.



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    GGG's average fight night weights throughout his career have been a consistent 170 and he looked healthy on the scales, not drained to death or like Skeletor on crack. That's the same or less than what an awful lot of LMWs come in at, including Jermello, Jermallo when he was at 154, Munguia, Liam Smith, Clenelo etc.

    He has only weighed over the MW limit four times in his entire 45 fight career and one of those times was his last fight which was at 168, another at a catchweight of 163 against Stevie ''Jelly'' Rolls, and the other two were early in his career pre-title run when he didn't have to make weight and eve then he came in just 1lb and 1.4lbs over the limit.

    If Haney can make weight and rehydrate 20 plus pounds and be extremely effective after this, GGG could easily drop down to 154 and rehydrate 13-16lbs max and he wouldn't look anywhere near as skeletal and ill as that because he was the complete antithesis of a weight bully and he was often actually the lighter man in the ring



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    Golovkin 168 - Proksa 166

    Golovkin 170 - Macklin 170

    Golovkin 173 - Rubio 181

    Golovkin 167 - Rosado ?

    Golovkin 170 - Monroe 172

    Golovkin 170 - Lemieux 175

    Golovkin 171 - Wade 175

    Golovkin - Brook ? (not sure but Golovkin weighed 167.8 for the IBF's same day weigh in the morning of the fight and Brook was 168)

    Golovkin 170 - Jacobs ? (he was about 180 by the time he climbed into the ring per Vic Conte)

    GGG 173 - Vanes 170

    Clenelo would've weighed significantly more than him in both their fights given his physique transformation after he started juicing and how he already did when he was down at 154 and 155

    Just because some fighters chose to fight at or closer to their natural weight and not weight bully leprechauns like many others doesn't mean they can't make the weight below. The telltale sign for me is how healthy they look on the scales
     
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  11. bjl12

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    GGG was not a weight bully, just very good and effective at MW. He's Top 5 MW ever imho and wouldnt take anyone seriously if they said he was worse than Top 10 MW ever. He was very, very good.

    Haney will not have the career GGG has - plain as day to see
     
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  12. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd was so great that it wouldn't shock me if he outpointed GGG.
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Ggg has never been great. His best win is jacobs. Ggg wasn't worthy of pbf going up to 154 to fight him back then. Who was his biggest win back then Murray? Stop this madness.
     
  14. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    GGG was not overhyped lol. Dude was a Top 5 MW for christ sake...
     
  15. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    GGG won fight 1 and fight 2 shouldve been a draw imho. If you look at the press row scores nearly every outlet had GGG winning fight 1, most had GGG winning fight 2 also but I felt a draw was fair
     
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