What Ruined / Ended Tysons Career?

if i was wrong, then that might happen.
i want to apologise to you for calling you dumbass. theres no need for it. it was lowclass of me.
back to the point, because too many posters list axxing kevin rooney as the reason. what key did rooney posses? the proof is in the record. rooney never had success with any other fighter. the only other one he worked with worth mentioning is vinny pazienza who rooney failed to help improve.
in contrast, the defensive style employed by marciano was actually the brainchild of his trainer charlie goldman. notably, aside from rocky, goldman trained three more champions. lou ambers, marty servo, and joey archibald.
answer this - if rooney could have helped tyson beat douglas much less lewis, tell me how? how?
rooney was a desiple of cus. all they had for mike was the peekaboo defense. by that time mike was learning about the shortcomings of that style.

 

ps- don't think i'm throwing out peekaboo as worthless. it has place. however, it is limited, and if mike wanted to compete with the growing talent pool of his devision, a big first step would have been realising that his peekaboo was insufficient on it's own and that he'd have to start to take steps to supplement it.
for all you rooney fans. swallow this. the fact rooney just got out before mike was about to be exposed. if rooney had any keys, wouldn't he have some more winners on his resume?
the reason we record history is in part to help avoid past mistakes. history is also written by the winners. so it won't pain you to watch marciano and open your eyes this time.
don't forget i asked you a question. how was rooney going to help mike?

 

Tyson ruined Tyson.

Anyone saying Tyson's defense had holes is talking nonsense. If anything, he had holes in his offense. This may sound strange but opponents took advantage of the fact that he was very lethargic on the inside.

If he was better on the inside we'd have the best heavyweight of all time, no doubt in my mind really.

 

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money ruined mike

 

DK

RG

and tyson himself

 

c) Evander Holyfield

 

ok. last time i'm going over this. this point you make about mike having to improve on the inside sounds familiar. maybe because i've been saying it sinse my first post on this thread pages ago.
also i never stated anything about holes in his defense. what defense mike had, he was proficient at. the problem did not require plugging up holes. more like adding more tactics.
the reason mike was "lethargic" on the inside in his losing matches is because once he got his opponent to stand in front of him (something they wouldn't have done until their comfort level rose to it) you never saw anyone decide.... cont.

 

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you never saw aanyone decide for themselves thyre gonna stand in front of mike during the early rounds of a fight.. mike could be inside but he wasnt schooled in the art of then gaining positioning to throw his shots. a fighter who was good at this for example and to give marcianos name a break for a minute, was joe frazier. frazier was expert at gaining positioning. a fact that illuminates annother, which is that joe frazier was and is highly uderated defensively. why?
because in oder to gain positioning on the inside, one must take risk. in order to reduce that necessary risk and make better your chance of victory than some lotto pick, one should adopt some kind of defensive style. for frazier it was an up and down head movement sometimes called the bob and weave. important notice in conjunction joe covered his head with his arms in a version of the cross defense, but always his elbows high better for him to strike when time permitted. as opposed to mike who had his elbows tucked in tight to his ..cont

 

his elbows tucked in tight to his body making it impossible for him to punch without telegraphing.
now i knw i can't bring up joe frazier without somebody atributing his success to timing. yes joe was full of quirks that ran on timing. whereas marciano was more methodical.
mike didn't bring any of this to the inside which is why mike at the end was practically invited to stand with those that beat him. just evidence of how far from the level of marciano he was that rocky was never invited. rocky had to earn his way in.

 

daydachamp you don't have a clue about Tyson's style. He was very good at gaining position. One of the most common aspects of his footwork was to step to the side and create opening for the uppercut or hooks. Look at his knockout of Buster Mathis.
"you never saw aanyone decide for themselves thyre gonna stand in front of mike during the early rounds of a fight," Oh really, and what was Peter Mcneeley doing? Or Razor Ruddock? Berbick? Standing right in front of Tyson is about the most dumbass thing you can do unless you have an elusive defense.

I find it hilarious that you call Tyson limited and then reference Rocky Marciano, who was a crude slugger with an elementary defense at best. Tyson and Lewis would have blown him out in one round. Then you mention Joe Frazier, who was more one-dimensional then Tyson could ever be. Plus your comparing inside fighters to Tyson, who wasn't one, which tells me you don't know anything about the peak-a-boo style.

Watch tapes of Tyson at his peak. He was a very good technical boxer-puncher who worked behind a jab and threw in combination. He had a very elusive defense. He was barely ever touched when he was at his best. People who say he didn't do enough on the inside don't understand his style. He isn't a Joe Frazier or Marciano who threw in volume. Tyson picked his shots carefully, and all of shots were made to hurt.

 

None of the above....robbyn ended it!

 

who do you think is tyson at his best?
youre wrong. that's not tyson at his best. i'll take tyson the night he faught hollyfield the second time and put him against the tyson you want.
i bet my tyson beats the stuffing out of your tyson. youtube look at the weigh-in tyson was 218. his legs were bolders. cut from stone. in hollyfield he met a guy similarly in shape best stamina and strength.
tyson only had the two losses on his resume to douglas and hollyfield. thing is i give tyson more credit than you do. he kept improving on himself. the tyson who faught lennox lewis weighed 234. was a more thoughtfull fighter than the one who beat michael spinks in 90 seconds. big tyson would have crunched his 218 80's self. problem was lewis actually gave him something to ponder and no time to think. peter mcneeley? find an other scrub.

 

Cus was the only one that kepted him mentally there, you could tell after he died that Tysons head was not the same mentally.
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