What significant boxing learnings do you have from the site.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by JohnThomas1, May 15, 2021.

  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 27, 2005
    This isn't about sarcastic comments like say, "I've learnt Marciano can beat any heavyweight ever" or bickering or any other such stuff. Genuine learnings and it need not be something carved in stone.

    I'll kick off with Roberto Duran.

    When i came here i had a pretty big knowledge of my own era which would be late 70's to mid 80's say. I was quite a bit behind on Duran however. His big lightweight run was a bit prior to me and all i could take in was that he won 1 fight out of 6 against SRL, Benitez, Hearns and Hagler.

    In the early 80's fighters weren't fighting no stop like they did in prior decades and losses had a fair sized stigma about them and were considered very big set backs in most cases.

    I'd see Duran rated above these guys and I had very little grasp of the context of it all. slowly thigns came into place, the guy was making lightweight for a decade, he'd had 72 fights before he'd even fought SRL, he was 135 champ for half a decade and possibly the greatest fighter ever to grace the division etc etc etc. Eventually his achievements came into focus more clearly.

    On a related matter I would see all the L's on records like Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles and think jeez these guys can't be much chop. Eventually i realized the L's were a product of their era and circumstance. They were fighting all the time, top guys were fighting each other in a consistent basis, losses weren't viewed quite the same as my era etc etc.
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  2. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 23, 2007
    Insight from Burt was priceless
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    Mar 17, 2010
    I wouldn’t even know where to start.

    I took an interest into boxing while I was in college. I was binging Ali videos; interviews, highlights and stories. I didn’t really care about boxing as a sport, I was just interested in Ali. One day I saw a Jack Johnson documentary thumbnail in the recommended videos, and I was like “who is this guy?” I started watching it, and I immediately came to the realization that boxing was more than just Ali. There were other incredible stories of fighters in the sport. It took me down this strange wormhole I’m still in today.

    Then I started getting into the footage of these legends. They all looked awesome to me. I would watch Rooster4Life’s highlight videos, and others. I kept going into the comments section asking these editors if they could make a video of fighter X using song Z. And of course they never did. I was weirdly passionate about it to the point that I tried making a video myself because I so desperately wanted to see certain highlights to a certain song. And people seemed to love it. I think that’s the reason people connect with my videos. They truly come from a genuine place.

    That was more than 10 years ago, and I just never got sick of boxing till this day.

    I think I discovered this site through a Google search while I was scraping and clawing for tidbits on information. Once I saw this forum I thought “holy cow this is a treasure trove!”

    I was put off by a lot of the negativity in many of the discussions, and people’s willingness to tarnish other fighters in order to win arguments. And I still am, I just have thicker skin now. I came from a place that all these fighters should be celebrated for achievements big and small, since they put their lives on the line to partake in an artistic but yet dangerous solo sport. I’ve learned to not wear my heart on my sleeve, but deep down I still feel that way.

    Whether you get into arguments here, or are put off by the negativity, if you truly love the sport you realize that the benefits of the forum drastically outweigh those things. Which is why I think most of us put up with each other.
  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 25, 2006
    Great topic.
    I've been a fan of boxing since the late 70's when I was just a small kid. My dad got me into it. I watched a lot of boxing, but I wasn't hardcore about it.

    I think I became more of a hardcore fan beginning in 1986, so from that time is where my real passion for boxing started.
    I've been on a few forums before this one. The now defunct Boxing.com and then Boxing Insider, when they still had a forum.
    Since joining here, my knowledge has expanded considerably. No specific eras as such, but more in-depth overall. Even so, there's huge gaps that need filling. Huge gaps.
    What I like about this site is that it acts as a pointer, a guide if you will. Posters will mention fighters, fights or events that make me think "Hmmm... let me check that out."
    That's how I expand my knowledge.

    I miss some posters that no longer post here. Some of these guys had knowledge that was almost breathtaking, and made me realise that I still know very little compared to others.
    Still, there are lots of posters here that dish out real useful and helpful info that I learn from.
    Great topic, John.
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  5. MR_TUT

    MR_TUT Member banned Full Member

    Apr 25, 2021
    Every loss has a story I went 12-2-21 and dropped and almost stopped a guy that kinda looked like Ali
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Lots of history on guys pre-1960s. A lot of them were names to me but I’ve learned from the forum cognoscenti more details about the bigger names and tons about the lesser-known that I’d have never discovered if not for you guys.

    Not to mention the legend that was Boston Tom McMustache — Barbados Boston Tom (the one from Fiji by way of Nova Scotia, who fought out of Key West); not Nonpareil Boston Tom (the one from Prince Edward Island by way of Philadelphia, who fought out of Sacramento).
  7. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

    Jun 28, 2005
    I have come to realise that having boxed and done martial arts 1/2 my life, I know what I am seeing on film, but describing the mechanics, the tempo of a fight and all the other nuances are extremely difficult. Even moreso, when you are debating others who may be dealing in absolutes, may not appreciate what you are seeing and with you too, may not see what they see or appreciate what they appreciate. I have made a concerted effort since I joined not to get caught up in fighter bashing or promoting untruths to 'win' a debate as it does a disservice to brave men who sacrificed so that we may hypothesise.

    I have also come to realise that the parameters of hypothetical match ups need to be set and agreed up front otherwise, you can get caught in the trees without seeing the forest. No point in arguing Jeffries versus Wilder without giving each fighter the training conditions, nutritional availability, sports-science knowledge and relative rule set, refereeing performance and trainer ability of whichever era said proposed fight takes place in.

    I have more ...
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  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    Learned a little more about Carlos Monzon as a fighter. Some of his abilities were understated, perhaps deceptive, therefore overlooked. Some of his fans on here educated me quite a bit. Red Cobra and a few others. Didn't appreciate his total mastery of the ring.
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  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    The Jack Johnson and Dempsey era for me. Certain posters on here, I picked up a Lot of info on the times from them. Sad to say, a few have gone now.
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  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 16, 2019
    I have followed boxing since 1965, but other talented posters on this site continue to educate me on other greats from boxing's past. I never stop learning. I learn something new every day.
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  11. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Basically everything I have learnt, or had corrected, about pre 1900's Boxing comes from a small but incredible quality of posters on this forum, who are pretty fixated around this time period. Learning about 'true' historical guys like Belcher, Broughton, Mace and the like, even the 'ancient era', in depth, made me that much more fascinated in the history and cultural impact of Boxing. And it isn't just Boxing this is important for, but actual in-depth historical research as a whole. There is no way, no way, I'd know even 10% about this subject, if it wasn't thanks to those posters on this forum.

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  12. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Well-Known Member Full Member

    Apr 29, 2020
    So true, echo every word, and by coincidence 65 was around the year I got hooked. keep well.
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 16, 2019
    Thanks my friend, stay well too.
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  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 15, 2018
    I feel the same and basically same starting story. I don’t understand the need to completely disparage and ridicule good fighters from past years (unless really dirty or evil in some way). Some people are insecure about themselves I suppose.
    PS need a Archie Moore video
  15. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 15, 2018
    Learned a lot about contenders and champions I otherwise never would have paid attention to. Gained a massive amount of respect for the unknown contenders that were as good as many champions just never had their shot on the right day. Now they’re just footnotes on famous champions boxrec ledgers. Men like Tommy Loughran, Ernie Schaff, Rex Layne, Jimmy Bivins, etc. My boxing scope was just Ali opponents and when I paid a lot of attention 90s up. Point is to keep learning everyday and you have that opportunity here if you stay with an open mind