What signifies a defensive technician?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd have it down to three parts:

    1. Relying as little as possible on athletic ability in not getting hit.

    2. Being able to not getting hit with as little exertion as possible.

    3. Being in a position to counter when avoiding/blocking/deflecting a punch.


    You want to add or take away something? And who are some of the best examples of a defensive technicians you think?
     
  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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  3. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    #2 is a big point for me, which might sound a little silly when you say 'somebody who doesn't get hit yet doesn't expend any energy' but I mean somebody who doesn't have to sit there and soak up shots on there arms and gloves or run around the ring constantly. Somebody like Hopkins. He doesn't do either of those things, his stance and body/hand position is probably the most important aspect of his defence. He shuts down his opponents hole line of attack and doesn't present any openings.
     
  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    This should be a most interesting thread for me...I'll take it all in before I chip in.
     
  5. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Me and my mate where watching some youtube highlight vids yesterday and he pointed out that Randy Turpin's defence was nice. I don't know if that vid reflects the rest of his career but it was a snippet from one of the Robinson fights. Anyway, on the thread topic, i know i'm sounding a bit like a broken record, but Bernard Hopkins is one of the ultimate defensive technicians. Marc Johnson's defence is technically sublime, i don't know if some will argue that his reflex ability is great and therefore denotes that it wasn't all technical skill that drove his defence, but if you look at even the way he's throwing his jab, he's stepping forward and off to an angle on his right, keeping his chin down, bending his legs a bit, arms up, elbows up, leaning over, all to minimise the possibility of being hit himself.

    His reflexes were good but look at the bobbing and weaving, it's skill-

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofNJ-CEvoxY&feature=related[/ame]
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    You want a simple definition - using technical skills to make your opponent miss and be able to counter*.

    * As I regard a good defence as one that allows you to not be hit and hit back.

    So I pretty much agree with you.
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, but I wanted to elaborate on what's meant with "technical skill"; i e achieving the end (not getting hit) while exerting oneself and relying on athletic ability as little as possible.
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I don't think relying on athletic ability as little as possible is great wording. I think great technicians should maximise and harness the athletic ability they have to its utmost.

    So what you are wanting is a break down on the technical skills that make a good defence?
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it is very useful. For example, if you have the perfect position to start with (tight guard, shoulder up, chin down, balanced stance: leaving absolutely as little vulnerable area exposed as possible) you have less need to slip or duck the opponents punches, hence less need of quick reflexes.

    That is really saying much the same thing as I did, but in another way. The better you are at making the most of the athletic ability you have, the less reliant you become on having great athletic ability.

    Yeah. I started it a little.
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I did a post a while back on my 3 pillars of defence.

    I'll report back here sometime next week and expand on it.
     
  11. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are many examples of what makes a defensive technician. So many varied styles.
    But it is the results that count. Such as great defensive fighters, who went through long careers, without hitting ability,and seldom being stopped. Such as--
    Jack Britton-344 bouts, stopped ONCE in first year..
    Billy Graham-126 bouts, never kod.
    Benny Valger-208 bouts, NEVER kod- couldn't break an egg.
    Willie Pep-uncanny ability to avoid punches..
    Pernell Whitaker- not a big puncher, but sly and slippery..
    To be successful,because of lack of puching power, they were all great defensive
    specialists,in their own style...
     
  12. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This:deal

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    and this :deal

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    and this too :deal

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    and even this :lol::yep

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  13. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he repeatedly avoids punches, good shot he's defensively adroit.
     
  14. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    chris byrd deserve a shout.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, but I'm trying to disntinguish between those who depend heavily on athletecism to do so and those who depend less. Great techhnique makes you less dependent.