What style is needed to beat floyd?

Floyd would have no answer for Tommy Hearns. Tommy was good enough to outbox Floyd, and land his money shots on the outside.

Floyd is not a good enough aggressive fighter to do anything to Hearns. He would get outpointed for several rounds, until Hearns knocks him out late.

 

Judah with stamina.

And IMO, Cotto (even today's version) would give Floyd all he could handle.

 

The "style to beat Floyd" is a white whale.

JLC came close but close doesn't count. If a prime Castillo couldn't get it done with that particular style, well...

There is no one linear style adaptable for any individual to accomplish this. It's not like you could open up a "beat Floyd" training facility with a bunch of average schlubs (or even people with years of experience boxing at some level or another) and produce hundreds of guys capable of winning 6/10 matches against Mayweather using a given replicable system.

He's said it before many times - "__# have said they had a plan, and __# have failed".

It's because Floyd isn't himself a strategist. You can play a game of chess against a chessmaster, and if you invest a lot of time and effort you can learn to be competitive with or even beat them.

When your opponent isn't even playing chess, however, all your acquired skill is rendered useless. You don't bring a knife to a gunfight, or chess skills to a mahjong match, or strategy to an encounter with an adaptive reflex fighter like Floyd.

In traditional tactical boxing matches, two men are trying impose their team's strategy. The better man wins, unless he is unable for whatever reason to successfully execute his gameplan and leaves vulnerabilities that allow the inferior man to execute his. That's in traditional tactical boxing matches.

Some boxers, and Floyd is one of them, totally eschew gameplans and spoil those of their opponents.

Now, before this begins to sound like idolatry to those who don't know me well enough to know that in terms of bias for or against I am 100% neutral towards Mr. Mayweather - understand that Floyd is beatable, IMO. You can't beat him in the war room, however. You need to do it in the ring. You need to be an equally adaptive fighter. You need to be able to react on the fly to his on the fly reactions.

I am confident that such fighters exist. Do they exist, right now, in the same weight range, on a world-class household-name level? Inconclusive data.

Mosley is capable of making adjustments, but I wouldn't put him on the same tier of mental agility as Floyd. He's just a strong ******* - strong of will and strong of body. That could be enough, but despite my rooting interest (I'll not claim to be anywhere near as objective or unaffected about Shane as I am about Floyd) it's an admitted long shot.

Oscar De La Hoya had a good opportunity. Not to outbox Floyd but to either knock him out (or down enough times to tip the points in his favor). There was a punch that was wide open to him all night (or rather, that is wide open to most Floyd opponents, but few would be capable of identifying, let alone capitalizing on it) , and he did not take advantage. This was well documented by me, here, in the aftermath of The World Awaits. Very frustrating.

There isn't a style to beat Floyd.

There's a type of mentality. Zen. Be the pretty boy. Clear your mind, be every bit as loose and responsive and have the athleticism to back it up.

Tall order.

There's also a specific punch that even a poor athlete could land, that would horribly annoy Floyd (if not necessarily KO him, depending on the executor's power, snap, speed, and ability to command punch location).

So in other words, there's two ways.

Floyd needs to meet his match - not a stylistic match, but an equal who transcends and foregoes style in favor of intense all-purpose preparation, natural talent, and relaxed anticipation (and ability to quickly make, act upon, and alter judgments as needed).

OR

Someone needs to expose the glaring mistake that Floyd almost invariably makes. Those who've watched him for a long time know which one.

 

pacman style?

 

maybe?its the way i see it

 

Fundamentals, grit, guts and a chin.
A simple 1-2 combo will defeat most fighters. Look at Ali. He barely used any other combination. A strong jab knocks him off balance then a right hand hurts him. Repeat.

 

Not trying to be funny or anything, but are you in training to take on Floyd soon? I mean, you knew the glaring mistake that Floyd continously made against Oscar, and you also know that he makes this mistake all the time. Heck, according to you, people who watched him for a long time know of this mistake also. So, why so secretive? What's the mistake? Or, are you concerned he'll read your post, and as a consequence, go work on correcting said mistake?

 

Honestly I'd give it a go and cut the weight if the opportunity presented itself. :yep

Nah, it's just that boxers and their teams do read forums - ESB in particular - and I wouldn't want to give away a potential tactical advantage for a future opponent of Floyd's. Not that I think anybody's likely to exploit it anytime soon. It would take someone with great timing and a good head on their shoulders, not to mention with enough world-class talent to actually land in the ring with Floyd to begin with.

 

If Cotto had stamina, imagine what he would have done to Pac! I mean, he won the first round and all.... :yep

 

first off u have to have speed and above average power, great D and a high work rate . manny is the only one who has a chance.

 

Also a well conditioned more disciplined Judah

Basically somebody with a good effective jab. This person must also have enough power to command respect. I truly don't think Mayweather is unbeatable. Only fighters that are sluggers, way slower, no jab, not offensive will not ever be able to beat Mayweather.

There has been fighters who could have beat him, I think DLH earlier in his career could have, I believe a fighter like Judah if more disciplined could. Mosley in his prime could have. I believe Vernon Forrest could have back in the day(RIP).

He is great against the right opposition..lets just leave it at that.

 

A long guy with a good jab, fast hands, good body puncher, can counter, with good movement, good defense, some pop, good chin and good stamina.

 

Somone with a very good jab would cause Mayweather serious problems, i'm thinking someone like a prime Vernon Forrest.

 

Rough him up and murder his body. Castillo may have laid out the blueprint.

 

Margo didn't have the footwork, handspeed or defense to stay with PBF. PBF would have landed on him like rain on a tin roof and been gone before Margo could even get off. It would have been a one-sided clinic.:deal