What sub-200 pound fighters would u favor over Marciano?

Right now, I'd probably just go with Louis since he always hovered a few pounds above/below 200.

I just thinks Marciano's power, chin, workrate and heart would overwhelm most others?

CW holyfield would be a great one. I think it would be a war with marciano coming through late.

what about Dempsey, Tunney, Prime Ezzard Charles?

What other sub-200 guys would u favor over the Rock in a 15 round fight?

 

Joe Louis would be the only one for me. And i'd make him only a slight favorite. Also because i believe his best years were a bit above 200lbs, around the early 40's. Dempsey, cruiserweight Holyfield, Tunney, Corbett, i think Marciano eats them all up. The fact that it is so hard to find someone of his own size to even be 50/50 with him is a testimony to his pound for pound greatness.

 

I don't know how u can say Marciano lacked power. The one shot on Walcott put him out cold. To do that in the 13th round while behind is clutch hitting at its best. How about the single right hand in the Charles rematch of the 8th round that dropped Ezzard and led to the end of the fight? Left hooks in the Matthews and Louis fights. The right hand against Layne, Vingo, Walcott 2, etc...

 

Favourates:

Louis
Ali

Some chance (50%-10%)

Jack Johnson
Prime Charles
RJJ
Dempsey
Tunney
M Spinks

 

Dempsey ,Louis and possibly Tunney .

 

Dempsey, Tunney, Holyfield, Charles all 50-50-ish fights...

Sharkey, Paterson and Schmeling have a chance but I favour Rocky.

Louis and Johnson beat him.

BTW, Foreman Rules, Archie Moore was one of the greatest fighters to ever lace up a glove. Surely you accept that?

 

Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance. First and last time I'll address this troll.

 

A conclusion more than one poster is rapidly reaching, I suspect .

 

Roy Jonees "LH or when he went to Heavyweight"

James Toney "CW"

Evander Holyfield "CW"

 

Louis, and Tunney. Maybe Holyfield.

 

I forgot Holyfield

Marciano would rip Tunney to shreds though, and he thought Grebs pressure was hard

 

Huh? What films are you watching? Tunney was much faster, smarter, and a better boxer. You could say Tunney's chin, heart, and stamina were even with Marciano's. Maybe even better heart, and stmaina.

If Marciano had his hands full, and was at one point behind with a past his prime Chalres who lacked the foot speed, and stamina, and went toe to toe with Maricano, no way he's beating Tunney.

Tunney was tough as nails. Not soft like LaStarza or prone to KD's like Chalres or Wlacott.

Tunney UD over Marciano.

 

Joe Louis beats him. thats it. the only other one I can see possibly being favored over rock is jack dempsey, thats a 50-50 for me.


prime ezzard charles would be next toughest fight, but i see rocky winning a 2-1 trilogy over him. marciano beats tunney, he will break down tunney and get to him late everytime. holyfield at cruiser gets overwhelmed and outworked, roy jones gets knocked out by the first righthand rocky lands, toney gets broken down archie moore style, sharkey and schmeling get blown away IMO by the aggresivness and punching power of the rock, patterson gets swarmed all over and battered no way floyd beats rocky at his own game

 

what films were you watching? tunney kept his hands by his waist, no head movement, leaned back to avoid punches, and had no inside fighting skills. all major flaws that would be exploited by one of the most aggresive inside fighters of all time rocky marciano.

rocky was much stronger, much more aggresive, much harder puncher. I would also disagree on the smarter part...rocky was a very smart guy, angelo dundee called rocky a "cutie".......

the only thing tunney was smart in was avoiding black fighters, and big punchers.

better heart? How can you have heart when you duck the biggest baddest heavyweight in the division george godfrey?? how can you have heart when you refuse to face a black fighter?


As for stamina...give me a break. tunney getting on his bicycle for 10 rounds does not show me he has world class stamina like marciano showed. hell walcott put up a better workrate in his 15 round match vs louis and was on his toes just as much, same with charles.

Marciano clearly beat charles, it was a clear win for rocky. I dont see how you could say charles lacked the footspeed, his footwork was in fact more polished and unpredictable than side to side tunney......the workrate charles put up in 15 rounds was better than any workrate i have ever seen tunney put up. Charles did not go toe to toe with rocky, in the early rounds he was on his toes moving and countering. after rocky landed a legal punch to the adams apple taking charles wind out in round 6, charles slowed down and rocky broke him down..........similiar to what hell do vs tunney. I also do not think rocky was at his best in 1954, i think the 1951 rocky marciano batters gene tunney into submission.


harry greb was much smaller, and had nowhere near the power strength of marciano and greb outworked and battered gene tunney beating gene twice. I dont see how gene will be able to cope with a bigger stronger rocky marciano who has dynamite in two fists and relelentless pressure for 15 rounds. if tunney thinks keeping his hands at his waist is going to save him from marcianos bombs, he better think again.

tunney was tough but he also showed cowardly signs in his career as he refused to fight black fighters and ducked the big punchers of his era. as far as im concerned his durability is very unproven. walcott and charles actually FOUGHT the best punchers of the era, tunney cannot claim the same.



Tunney would have to change his style to a more modernized style if he wants to be able to beat rocky marciano IMO