What sub-200 pound fighters would u favor over Marciano?

Roy Jones Jnr

James Toney

Im not sure about Toney but i think Roy could keep away from Marciano for 12 rounds, but obviously Rocky would put the heat on him.

 

I'd pick Louis to beat Rocky, but he's the only one that I'd pick to beat Marciano without feeling a lot of doubt.

Dempsey-Marciano is interesting. Dempseys two fisted attack and speed would put Marciano on the canvas early, but like Jack Johnson said about Dempsey "he is great for four rounds but after that he is ordinary." While this is under rating Dempsey, Johnson had a point and Marcianos stamina in my view enables him to take him out very late in the fight by KO.

Holyfield-Marciano is tough to pick too, but I'll go with Marciano based on the fact that he'd be able to outfight Holyfield down the stretch. As well as Holyfield would try to outbrawl and out tough Marciano and he'd pay for it, Rocky is no Bert Cooper or faded Tyson. I'd expect a close but competitive decision for Marciano here.

I don't see Roy Jones being able to survive, I'm surprised people think he has a very live chance here. While he has the style, he doesn't have the durability needed to avoid Marciano for 12 rounds, never mind 15. It's not like Marciano had never faced guys with moves before, his best wins are over very skilled/fast boxers in Walcott, and Charles.

Tunney has a live shot here too but I'd pick Marciano.

 

:deal

 

Also, prime Walcott.

 

Dempsey
Sam Langford

 

Some of those guys were over 200 pounds.

 

Joe Louis is the only one I would make a definite choice over Rocky. Maybe Dempsey.

 

Earlier versions of Walcott and Ezzard Charles than Marciano faced could probably do it. Louis could, but it's a slight tossup since that one would all be about whose chin cracked first. Dempsey might be able to blitz him, but I personally doubt it and think Marciano's durability would win the day. (It would be a wild and fun ride though). Maybe a younger Archie Moore, but from what footage I've seen of Moore, (and I'll be the first to say that it's from when he's past his best) he was probably too stationary and despite all the crafty defensive techniques he was there for Marciano to grind down. Tunney might be able to pull it off but I'm not sure I'd favor him.

Roy Jones I feel could absolutely use his speed to leave Marciano swinging and missing all night long. As long as Roy doesn't let himself get trapped against the ropes or in the corner he should be ok. Holyfield would be a good fight but I wouldn't favor him. Wouldn't be surprised if he pulled it off, but I wouldn't put him as a favorite over Rocky at his peak. Plus, if Holy lets himself get drawn into a brawl, which he always does, it favors Marciano.

That's all I can think of offhand.

 

sorry, double post

 

a prime louis would be very interisting,i think rock could pull it off if he ko,d louis but if he didnt louis could win on cuts or points 55/45 rocky.evander might win on points but he liked to trade wich wouldnt be wise withthe rock 50/40 rock.-tunney kept his hands down because a long armed boxer could barely hit him let alone the t-rex armed rocky if he could keep the distance he could win on points 55/45 rock,i belive rocky would ko fitz within 15 if its 10-or 12 fitz might win on points or cuts 55/45 rock. finally i think the man dempsey would be very dangerous for rocky,dempsey started really fast,could box really well in his short prime,was at least top 3 best infighters 190 up and would have about a 9 inch reach,60/40 dempsey -tko by 7

 

I don't see how you could really say anyone had better heart than Marciano, and both guys had the stamina to go a hard 15 rounds without wilting, but Marciano had a more taxing and physical style than Tunney did. In addition, Marciano's style had a demonstrable way of sapping the other man's stamina like no one else you've ever seen.

1. Marciano was marginally behind in the first half a 15-round fight. This is not a terribly big deal. He went on to win the fight by a comfortable margin, and nearly had Charles out before the end. He then pitched a near shut-out and KO'd Charles in the rematch, with the only real drama of that fight stemming from a freak-of-nature injury.
2. To hear you talk about him, one would think Charles was an incompetent journeyman. Evidently, you view him as a small, weak-chinned, light-hitting, slow-on-his-feet slugger who didn't even have a good defense; the fact is, somehow or other, in 1946-54, the man was able to face the biggest punchers and best fighters alive in the light heavyweight and heavyweight divisions on a regular basis while almost never being floored or stopped. In fact, I believe Charles had suffered only one knockdown in his last 44 fights when he fought Marciano; and these include two meetings with Ray, one with Satterfield, one with Moore, one with Louis, four with Walcott, three with Layne, etc.. Aside from the one perfect-punch loss to Walcott, he went through all of those fights without so much as being floored, and won most of them, too. Charles was a VERY defensively adept fighter and was not weak-chinned in his prime, he was an accurate and sharp counterpuncher with a fluid athleticism that allowed him to put combinations together in a way few could, he had top-tier stamina, and when he fought Marciano, he was a man on a mission with a mental resolve and intensity that awed observers, both in his training camp and in the ring, as Charles had always longed for public acceptance and adoration, and viewed this as his last chance at achieving it.
It is true Charles didn't generally employ what you'd call a stick-and-move style in his heavyweight days, but ask James Toney, likely the best defensive master of our era, who he modeled his defensive style off of, and right off the bat, you'll hear names like "Ezzard Charles" and "Archie Moore" cropping up.
3. What would make you think LaStarza was "soft"? He'd never been stopped in 56 professional fights before Marciano did it, and his fights were all at heavyweight.

You think Matthews had the reach of a flyweight? Do you have a listing for that? I don't know his exact measurements, but I believe he was 5'11 to 6', and he looks to have a regular reach for a man of his height- which would, in fact, suggest he was very close to the same height and reach as Tunney. Now, there obviously isn't a great wealth of film available on Matthews, but he looks plenty light on his feet and has a good jab judging by the round-and-a-half he fought against Marciano. The Marciano fight is the only known instance in which Matthews was ever truly knocked out in over 100 professional fights (he was stopped on his feet without having been floored in an early fight and retired with a back injury in a later match). Matthews was down a few times outside the Marciano fight, so it is probable Tunney had a better chin than he did, but not necessarily in another league.

Possible, but I think it's more likely Marciano grinds him down. The Dempsey Tunney fought didn't have the necessary stamina to apply the kind of pressure he needed to- in fact, he was dead tired at the end of both 10-round fights. Even still, he nearly had Tunney in their rematch. Judging by the way Tunney was hurt with one shot and went down pretty badly from a single combination, I think it is likely Marciano would be capable of putting Tunney away suddenly if he connected with one of his money shots, ala Walcott I, and his freakish endurance would enable him to apply the kind of consistent pressure a rusty, declining Dempsey could not.

 

Yes, The Rock has no power, he KTFO most of his opponents by accident.

Yes, his chin is glass, he was hit flushed for a flash KD twice in his career and was up within seconds. He was never ever close to being stopped.

James Toney lost twice to Samuel Peter, who is clearly, after being demolished by Vitali, an over-hyped "nightmare".

Why can someone like this post? Clearly no objective knowledge of boxing. To say Nigel Benn could beat the Rock is criminal.

 

Holyfield beating Tyson, which may be the only fights you have seen, does not equate to beating Marciano. The Rock would be facing a very durable opponent who he might find hard to stop, but even if he didn't stop Holyfield, Holyfield would be hurt badly. No way does Holyfield get a decision. Either he goes into defensive mode for the last few rounds or gets KTFO.


Haye, an unproven heavyweight with a questionable chin would be stopped in 2 rounds. He would try for an early KO without success and leave himself open for a huge left hook. If he made the count, O'Neil Bell style, Haye would get put into a coman by an overhand right.

 

At least this is a serious possibility.

 

Louis is the only fighter I could comfortably bet on against Marciano.

I'd give Dempsey and Charles a 50/50 chance.

The rest I could see Marciano winning a hard fought but decisive victory.