What the hell was wrong with Pavlik in the Hop fight?

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  1. Machine

    Machine Active Member Full Member

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    Why did The Ghost look so sluggish and lacklustre and fail to dictate at any point in that fight? Pavlik didn't seem to have any of the qualities that he had displayed leading up to the fight against solid opposition. Did Hopkins just baffle and confound him? Were Hopkins' skills just so superior that Pavlik looked second rate by comparison? Was there something physically wrong with Kelly? Or is Pavlik just genuinely not anywhere near even an elderly Hopkins' league?
     
  2. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think it was a combination of Bhops skills and intimidation. I've started to notice that some of BHop's opponents are a bit nervous in the ring. I mean lets face it, he's an intimidating looking guy.
     
  3. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Might be that for all the hype Pavlik isnt as good as he is going to be.

    I mean i called the fight just like it turned out, Pavlik is one paced, he pushes his punches, his jab is slow, and he fights in straight lines.

    He does have ability but i think he has gotten away with alot because he is massive at 160lbs and in each of his fights out of Middleweight he hasnt looked good at all.
     
  4. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i agree hopkins confused him but still you have to admit he looks very lethargic in there like he wasn't even trying. I think it was nervousness/couldn't let the punch go. Something about BHOP intimadtes his opponents.
     
  5. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    carrying extra weight slows you down and pavlik was never fast to begin with.

    he simply has to short a step in his foot movement and it is always little pigeon steps forward , not allowing him to adjust to lateral movement.

    hopkins took advantage of the handspeed and used lateral movement to make kelly reset over and over and over again.

    you see it all the time when punchers fight, they need to reset .
     
  6. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    At the end of the day he was made to look average by a far better fighter.
     
  7. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Combination of everything.

    - Some injury leading up to the fight, perhaps health wise wasnt in the best condition.
    - Fight was at 170lbs
    - Lack of experience, when the fight wasnt going his way, he could change into plan B and got frustrated
    - Style matchup. Hopkins has problems with speed, he is reluctant to throw when the other guy can tag him with a quick counter. He didnt have to worry about that in this fight so he let his hands go.
     
  8. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    well, maybe it's because....Pavlik is a B class fighter (B+ at MW though) and he was in there with an A+ fighter

    basically....the boy was overhyped, he looked like ****...because compared to Hopkins, he is ****
     
  9. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    hopkins saw some weaknesses and exploited them. He used good footwork and movement so that pavlik found it hard to find him and after missing a lot and getting countered he didnt keep up his normal workrate as hopkins kept him worried about the counters.
     
  10. Machine

    Machine Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah watching Pavlik a while back I thought from a technical point of view he was fairly bad in regard to the lack of snap in hie punches and the fact that he can be a bit plodding. But then he just kep knocking reasonable fighters out. Then when he beat a fairly slick fighter in Taylor twice I thought despite what he looks like from a technical standpoint he just has what it takes to overcome elite boxers who are way more fluid and technically sound. Then in the Hopkins fight his slowness and the technical flaws were made glaringly apparent. It just confused me.
     
  11. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins moved to Pavlik's left from the beginning, and it was over.

    It's REALLY that simple.
     
  12. Monstar

    Monstar The Future.. Full Member

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    co-sign
     
  13. Machine

    Machine Active Member Full Member

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    You're starting to make me think that I could beat Pavlik :lol:. If that's all it was why couldn't any of his previous opponants exploit this fatal flaw in Pavlik's technique? Not to mention that great boxing minds such as Steward didn't make their fighters take advantage of it. Hopkin's found a way to make this strategy decisive.
     
  14. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's baffling to me how many people on this ****ing thread don't know about Pavlik's health condition going INTO THE FIGHT! and yet constantly go on this site and DON'T READ THE ARTICLES!

    It was reported that Pavlik had a slight case of BRONCHITIS going into the fight. He had the got it a few nights before and it continued to escalate, but Pavlik did not want to cancel the fight because of it. He felt he should be fine. He said it wasn't that bad (my guess was that he felt that Hopkins didn't present as much of a threat that he would need to be in FULL health in order to fight him seeing as how his output isn't that great and probably figured he would be able to dictate the pace quite easily)

    So...we have several factors here going into the fight that lead to his demise...

    1) Bronchitis really took its toll on Pavlik's body and stamina
    2) Nazim was back in Hopkins' corner
    3) Pavlik OBVIOUSLY has no business being @ 160+ (Taylor showed this in the rematch. he didn't look as fresh and barely squeaked by)
    4) Hopkins decided to turn up the volume on his aggression...something he hasn't done in quite sometime...catching Pavlik offguard because he didn't expect it
    5) He's fighting Bernard ****in Hopkins...the man makes everyone's gameplan look like ****. Everyones!...There hasn't been an opponent he's faced that didn't look a bit sluggish or slow or just couldn't get off...everyone looks like **** going against B-Hop


    I personally feel it could've been far more competitive had he been in better health and it being at a much lower weight class...do I think he would've won without the Bronchitis...no...B-Hop is a ****in' genius...but he wouldn't have looked like his ***** in that fight either
     
  15. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That would apply had Pavlik not fought Jermain Taylor for 19 rounds. I mean ok he beat some punchers like Zertuche, Zuniga, Miranda but in Taylor he was facing a boxer who beat Hopkins twice and he came through so you cant say that he is ****.